4 handed PL J9s
4 handed PL $2k game
utg (terrible L/P) limps, button (rwj123, hes a 45/6/1.5....so kinda weak passive, but not retarded.) minraises, sb folds, i call with J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], utg calls. flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] i check, utg bets $20, rwj123 calls, I call. im pretty sure utg has about nothing, and rwj most likely has a draw, maybe AK. most likely not KQ or an overpair. maybe a small chance of a set, though he's not a cronic slowplayer. turn: K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] i chk, utg bets 20, rwj123 raises the full pot to $355, he has 1600 left after the raise. whats my move here? thanks? fsuplayer |
Re: 4 handed PL J9s
His hand range is probably AJ, AK (would he really raise so big though?), J9, KJ, . I see no reason not to get all in here, because any J, 9, A or [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] makes one of you not so comfortable on the river.
How about making it like $900 here? Leave him with $1000 he has to call on the river, and make it look like a "resteal but with enough left to fold if he pushes" type raise. Unfortunatly, you give him 3:1 plus 5:1 in implied odds, which is just about exactly enough if he does happen to have [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] draw. You can also just raise pot and then push the tiny bit you have left on the river. |
Re: 4 handed PL J9s
Push. Having played with Villain before, she is more likely to payoff your straight here. What are the chances of villain having A J? I would think villain would raise more than the minimum from button with a hand like A J. More likely that villain has something like K Q or K 10!
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I push. You're chances of getting called by a worse hand are far greater than your chances of running into AJ IMO
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Re: 4 handed PL J9s
Fold. You've got horrific pot odds against a passive player making a big move.
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Re: 4 handed PL J9s
Are you seeing the same hand I'm seeing where OP has the second nuts?
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Fold. You've got horrific pot odds against a passive player making a big move. [/ QUOTE ] you are joking right? this is 4 handed. the question i was asking is raise or call. folding is out of the question. |
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[ QUOTE ] Fold. You've got horrific pot odds against a passive player making a big move. [/ QUOTE ] you are joking right? this is 4 handed. the question i was asking is raise or call. folding is out of the question. [/ QUOTE ] Hey man you just wait until the results are posted. Then we'll see who's joking. |
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the question i was asking is raise or call. folding is out of the question [/ QUOTE ] Is this because you KNOW you are winning or because you can't fold this YET? Personally I like to call here. Maybe I'm weak (though that's not my usual game) but calling here will give you a whole load of info with which to make your next decision. If I raise, it's all-in. I've been burnt in similar situation though. Yes, sometimes it just happens, but often there's a better way to go. |
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[ QUOTE ] the question i was asking is raise or call. folding is out of the question [/ QUOTE ] Is this because you KNOW you are winning or because you can't fold this YET? [/ QUOTE ] well a little of both. i have to play his range of hands that he could reasonably hold here. if i call, its bc i think he only calls with the nuts and folds most everything else if I raise, including two pair hands. if i raise, its bc I think its more likely that he'll call with hands that I beat. if I raise and he folds everything but AJ and J9, then its not a good move, right? (assuming he doesnt have a draw a good amount of the time, which I dont think this player does). |
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Hi PJ,
[ QUOTE ] Fold. You've got horrific pot odds against a passive player making a big move. [/ QUOTE ] No way, Boss. For you to say this, I almost think it's a joke, because you were watching the hand and know he had AJ this time or whatever. No way you can ever fold here in a 4-handed game. Why couldn't he have 2 pair? I'll re-raise, but probably not the max; I want to give this player a chance to call me, and then talk himself into calling on the river. The description of him doesn't lend itself to him having a flush draw, so we're in good shape here most of the time. Obviously, he might have AJ, but if so, we need to go bust. |
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I just thought I'd point out that Popinjay has no idea of the results.
[ QUOTE ] Hey man you just wait until the results are posted. Then we'll see who's joking. [/ QUOTE ] I find this comment especially funny. |
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I probably checkraise or bet out on the flop, but the way you played it, 1000 straight sounds good. I think a set or two pair is more likely than AJ.
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