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When you go into a major downswing, do you ever find it to be site specific? Can you fire up another site and do well, but when you go back to the first site you're still in a downswing?

Just curious because I am experiencing that right now. Signed up with UB and have been on a huge downswing since the first hand. I am 0-16 in their SNGs ranging from $6-$22. I am down 100BB at the $1/$2 NL. I fire up Stars, and I was ITM in 6-13. The 6-max NL is like an ATM machine for me. I go back to UB to try and finish clearing the bonus (which will apparently take me all year) and I go 0-7 again in SNGs and slaughtered at the ring games.

At Stars I get paid off constantly, but at UB I always seem to be up against a monster. The last 6 UB SNGs I busted out of were either full house beaten by quads twice, flush beat my trips, etc etc.

Just wondering if jumping sites during a downswing has helped anyone, or does the bad luck/cards follow you wherever you go until it's over?

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All of big wins have come from pokerroom, I've tried playing at some bigger sites for the bigger turnouts but I have failed to crack a final table

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That's cuz online poker is rigged.

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Ummm that's not what I said or what I was implying so I'd appreciate it if you took that stupid ass cliche response and shove it up your ass. It's old, it really is.

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That's cuz online poker is rigged.

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Ummm that's not what I said or what I was implying so I'd appreciate it if you took that stupid ass cliche response and shove it up your ass. It's old, it really is.

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Gee, talk about overreacting. Maybe I'd take you seriously if you got a larger sample size.

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That's cuz online poker is rigged.

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Ummm that's not what I said or what I was implying so I'd appreciate it if you took that stupid ass cliche response and shove it up your ass. It's old, it really is.

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Gee, talk about overreacting. Maybe I'd take you seriously if you got a larger sample size.

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Great idea, I'll go keep dumping money at a site that has destroyed me for the last 2 weeks.

It was a simple question really to see if players here experience downswings that follow them around, or are sort of site specific. I apologize for the quick snap, but I really am tired of responses like that. You contributed nothing to the thread, and knew that when you hit the reply button, so why even bother replying at all?

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no - but i will change sites if im losing just to change it up = what you are up against is the typical UB player is just better than the typical party/crypto/stars player.

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everytime i go to UB i go on a downswing, I've gotten to were i won't even go there anymore. It seems to me that different sites have different types of players and require different types of play, but then my sample size at most of them is not big enough. I'm sorry you are experiencing this too, but it makes me feel better. Now apologize to gorgeous for over reacting [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Oh yeah. Of course my downswings are all limited to a specific site.

That's because the sites deal different distributions of cards.

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or does the bad luck/cards follow you wherever you go until it's over?

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No. The bad players who make multiple mistakes don't follow you either, and should be one of your primary concerns when choosing where to play.

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Just wondering if jumping sites during a downswing has helped anyone, or does the bad luck/cards follow you wherever you go until it's over?

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Site jumping certainly helps. It's ignorant to think that it wouldn't. Just keep jumping sites till you start winning. Then, when you're winning, jump more sites to avoid another losing streak.

Overall, I never play more than 5 hands in a row at any one site.

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I just realized when it is called zoo here after reading all the responses in this thread.

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Ask a dumb question and get dumb responses i guess.

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but at UB I always seem to be up against a monster

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I posted about this the other day. :-)

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That's cuz online poker is rigged.

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Ummm that's not what I said or what I was implying so I'd appreciate it if you took that stupid ass cliche response and shove it up your ass. It's old, it really is.

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You're out of control.

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When you go into a major downswing, do you ever find it to be site specific? Can you fire up another site and do well, but when you go back to the first site you're still in a downswing?

Just curious because I am experiencing that right now. Signed up with UB and have been on a huge downswing since the first hand. I am 0-16 in their SNGs ranging from $6-$22. I am down 100BB at the $1/$2 NL. I fire up Stars, and I was ITM in 6-13. The 6-max NL is like an ATM machine for me. I go back to UB to try and finish clearing the bonus (which will apparently take me all year) and I go 0-7 again in SNGs and slaughtered at the ring games.

At Stars I get paid off constantly, but at UB I always seem to be up against a monster. The last 6 UB SNGs I busted out of were either full house beaten by quads twice, flush beat my trips, etc etc.

Just wondering if jumping sites during a downswing has helped anyone, or does the bad luck/cards follow you wherever you go until it's over?

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These "site-specific" downswings exist for a couple of reasons. First, and obviously, the different sites have different levels of players. Second, I believe that the majority of players simply play better at the beginning of a poker session than they do towards the middle or end, espeically if they are losing. Psychologically, when you start on a new site, this may seem to most players like a new "session." If you start losing on the site, psychologically the effect may be to continue playing badly on that site because your bad run is affecting your play.

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Sometimes but I almost always find that's its psychological more than just normal variance upon further reflection.

So if jumping sites makes you feel better-and more likely to play better-then roll with it but sometimes dealing with that initial adversity/sub-optimal play and coming out from it is a good idea if your bank/psyche can handle it. You'll be better for it in the long run.

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When you go into a major downswing, do you ever find it to be site specific? Can you fire up another site and do well, but when you go back to the first site you're still in a downswing?

Just curious because I am experiencing that right now. Signed up with UB and have been on a huge downswing since the first hand. I am 0-16 in their SNGs ranging from $6-$22. I am down 100BB at the $1/$2 NL. I fire up Stars, and I was ITM in 6-13. The 6-max NL is like an ATM machine for me. I go back to UB to try and finish clearing the bonus (which will apparently take me all year) and I go 0-7 again in SNGs and slaughtered at the ring games.

At Stars I get paid off constantly, but at UB I always seem to be up against a monster. The last 6 UB SNGs I busted out of were either full house beaten by quads twice, flush beat my trips, etc etc.

Just wondering if jumping sites during a downswing has helped anyone, or does the bad luck/cards follow you wherever you go until it's over?

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I have the same problem. I think it can be something about the software. Some sites' software just rubs me the wrong way and it kinda gets under my skin, maybe aggravating a mini-tilt. I just got done playing over at Paradise, and for some reason I kept getting lagged off my hand. I hadn't played at Paradise for a long time, so I was playing micro limits while reading emails, etc. Anyway, I don't think I'll be playing much Paradise anytime soon. The place just bugs me now. lol

Ironically, UB kinda rubs me the right way. I just like the feel of their software. At first I didn't, but I started playing there and got hooked. Also, I used to love pokerroom, but now I'm sick of that place, I got lagged off too many hands and just quit there. Seems like their software is getting slower and slower. Anyway.

Long story short, if a site is bugging you, just switch. There's no reason to play somewhere if it's bugging you, regardless of the reasons.

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Empire was my downswing site. I have NEVER had a winning deposit there. I'm pretty sure I have never won at Party either. It's pretty frustrating when I know the play there is soft and have never been able to capitalize on it.

I think it may stem from my first online real $ deposit @ Party. I obviously lost. Maybe those stupid, fake people at the table subconsciously remind me of that failure. (It pissed me off so much I didn't play any more for about a year: I was CONVINCED the site was rigged!)

I now believe they wern't rigged, I just sucked. But I still can't seem to win there so I don't play there. My time is better invested at the sites where my confidence is high.

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It seems whenever I load at a new site, I get killed for the first month. It happened at Party now it's happening at PokerStars.

Normal annoying stuff like a long string of 4:1 shots busting two pair or trips, 99 all-in against 77 and a 7 spiking, limping 89s in the small blind and the BB raises...

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These "site-specific" downswings exist for a couple of reasons. First, and obviously, the different sites have different levels of players. Second, I believe that the majority of players simply play better at the beginning of a poker session than they do towards the middle or end, espeically if they are losing. Psychologically, when you start on a new site, this may seem to most players like a new "session." If you start losing on the site, psychologically the effect may be to continue playing badly on that site because your bad run is affecting your play.

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I think he had a very valid question and I like this response as one reason.

There also seems to be a different culture at different sites were your game has to be adjusted to be able to win.

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Interesting you mention UB.

I have been absolutely killing the Party skins 1/2 6-max, and had previously been doing OK at UB at both 2/4 full and 1/2 6-max.

For a brief 2-3 hour period at UB 6-max over the last two days, I can't get a hand to stand up even with extra starch. The 6-max games over that brief period have been very aggressive to the point where I know I'm being pushed off winners. The problem is, I can't tell when. When that happens, when you're not making many good hands and when you lose the monsters, you lose big. I've had a -100BB stretch in the last 600-100 hands.

I cashed out out of frustration even though I have something close to $400 in uncleared bonus there. It may never get cleared.

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Normal moves that have worked well at Party have not worked well at PokerStars for me.

A feeling of loss of table control, a string of suckouts and starting with a smaller bankroll from a new buy-in causes me to mini-tilt, then I end up altering my play and it causes a nasty wip-saw effect.

It tends to work itself out after booking a win and I get some confidence back.

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I think I'm cashing out of there as well, down a couple hundred bucks and leaving $130+ in bonus money there. It tough to clear more than a couple bucks an hour in bonus, and it's simply not worth it to get my bankroll steamrolled like that. I've never experienced anything like it.

My hole cards there are so bad I can predict them. I'll get a Q first and then say to myself "2" and I'll get a duece. It's not hard when one of your hole cards is always a 2 or a 3.

Back to Stars it is. I was just trying to build a bankroll via bonuswhoring but UB put the kybosh on that plan.

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When I was a new poker pro, I would say my first year, I had the same feelings. When I was not doing good on one site, I switch to another, and this seemed to always get me out of my rut. If it helps your confidence to switch sites this is a very good thing because playing with confidence will help you win at poker. Other than that, there is nothing different about the cards or players at different sites. Just focus on your game.

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All of big wins have come from pokerroom, I've tried playing at some bigger sites for the bigger turnouts but I have failed to crack a final table

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Pokerroom is my "downswing" site as well. I tried clearing a couple bonuses there but when you are $250 down (and only up 80 points) chasing a $100 bonus it just tends to get to you a little. Especially when the majority of that $250 is from suckouts and terrible beats. I know online poker isnt rigged and neither is pokerroom but its enough psychologically that I probably wont go back.

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That's cuz online poker is rigged.

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So are your mom.

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Poker room and me just do not get along, they are my downswing site I never go back to.

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I think I'm cashing out of there as well, down a couple hundred bucks and leaving $130+ in bonus money there. It tough to clear more than a couple bucks an hour in bonus, and it's simply not worth it to get my bankroll steamrolled like that. I've never experienced anything like it.

My hole cards there are so bad I can predict them. I'll get a Q first and then say to myself "2" and I'll get a duece. It's not hard when one of your hole cards is always a 2 or a 3.

Back to Stars it is. I was just trying to build a bankroll via bonuswhoring but UB put the kybosh on that plan.

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From my last 500 hands at UB - 12 times T2o , 9 times 92o, 9 times Q4o, 7 times 73o, etc... Any AK, suited or not, ZERO times.

No straights, no flushes, no 3 of a kind. 1 losing full house. 1 losing AA. Shown down 5 winning hands TOTAL in those 500. Fun place!

Too bad they're only one of a few sites spreading bigger games, cause they sure deal some fugly cards with that whacky RNG. You wonder why they don't make hand history info easy to get?

Nigel

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It seems like everytime I clear a Party or Empire bonus I hit a massive downswing.

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I withdrew everything last week to neteller and then reloaded two accounts to $1000

3 days later they looked like this....

$1800
$30

Conclusion: Empire is rigged, Eurobet is not

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I'm not a conspiracy theory guy. I don't believe there's anything different about the cards on UB. I don't even believe there's all that much different about the players on UB, but there's less game selection than Party where I always do really well. The key reason is that it's easier to table-hop.

I got killed at UB recently while getting premium hands that didn't hold up.

Here's an example from a 6-max game:

All fold to CO who puts in a steal-raise. Fold to me with 99. Re-raise. He three-bets and I call. Flop comes 9JJ. I check-raise and we cap and I know I'm ahead and that he has an Ace with something. I know I'm going to lose. Turn brings a J and I'm not afraid he has the case J. I know in my heart of hearts I'm going to lose on the river. River Ace. I check and call his AT.

Half a dozen hands like this in two hours and I'm way down.

It's just 6-max. The variance is like that. However, the games I've found have been much more aggressive than I'm comfortable with.

There's no mystery and no conspiracy.

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Ultimate Bet is cursed. I'm a life long loser there, bonuses included! (30k hands or so.)

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limping 89s in the small blind and the BB raises...

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Uhm....ok

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limping 89s in the small blind and the BB raises...

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Uhm....ok

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In my opinion, each site has a different texture with regards to the players, so what works well for your play at Party, may not work as well at Games Grid, or UB. FWIW, my hourly on UB is the worst of the twenty or so sites I've played. I make an assumption that the players there are better than other places, and therefore I win less.

With a few sites (such as UB), since my hourly rate is smaller, my downswings are usually more drastic. Perhaps this is what has happened to you.

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Bingo! Owl has the answer. The sites play differently for whatever reasons and your game needs to be adjusted accordingly.