100/200 Turn and River Play
 

We are playing 7 handed at a club in Chicago.
No reads but these, only been at the table for an hour.Four of the guys are really solid players. One is a tricky player who is one of the best players I have played against. The last player is the reason I am in the game. I'd say he is a -1 BB/hour player.

solid player 1 (SP1) open raises UTG. Tricky player re-raises (TP) and I call on the button with 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and the blinds fold...

Three handed, we see a flop of 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Check, Check, I bet, Raise, Raise, I decide I want to see what the turn brings and call, SP1 calls. The turn is an A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. This card could either help me or hurt me. SP1 checks, TP bets...

Hero... Raises. I decided to throw a curveball and semi-bluff raise. I might have the best hand, but if I don't, I can at least force out SP1 with it two bets to him.

Plan backfires, he calls, so does TP.

River comes K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Now SP1 comes to life and bets, TP calls, and I think about my options:

Fold - I don't think this is an option. There is way too much money in the pot.

Call - I am probably beat, I am thinking it's worth it to call here.

Raise - I like this option the most. If I raise, I can force out TP and I will have 33% of the money in the pot for an estimated 40% at winning.

I decide to raise but SP1 throws an unexpected three-bet. TP calls, and I call.

I know I butchered this hand, but where did I go wrong?

Thanks a lot. [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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I think you missed value on the river by not capping it.

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The last player is the reason I am in the game. I'd say he is a -1 BB/hour player.

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solid player 1 (SP1) open raises UTG. Tricky player re-raises (TP) and I call on the button with 6 7 ...

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no sir...you are the reason they are there.

EDIT: i stopped reading after the above. but the flop is also crazy. you have no heart, you have 2+2=4 outs on the flop vs. an overpair b/c a 7h does nothing for you + the straight draw. nowhere near enough to call the 2 more cold back to you. on the turn you are also beat so often but now the pot is big. horrible to raise there.

same on the river you are just so beat its silly unless your reads on the players are way way off.

-Barron

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no sir...you are the reason they are there.

-Barron

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I don't think you're winning this pot 40% of the time. I think a fold is correct. If you raise, it is still only 1 bet for each of them to call, and someone is sitting with an A or K. I am folding here almost every time.

ChewyMint

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no sir...you are the reason they are there.

-Barron

[/ QUOTE ]dude, i think this is a joke.

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yea i can't detect jokes on forums ... im a sucker for the trolls.

-Barron

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It was butchered everywhere. You should have been gone on the turn. I dont understand on the raise there. Also, on the river the correct play was to fold. There was 0 chance with three people in the pot that your 6 with no kicker was good.

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I know I butchered this hand, but where did I go wrong?

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solid player 1 (SP1) open raises UTG. Tricky player re-raises (TP) and I call on the button with 6 7

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they were suited, and no I probably wasn't winning AT THE TIME, but I put them both on AK. I put the small blind on a K and the Big blind on a weak A. I figure, add in my flush outs, and I should be fine. The question wasn't about the preflop play. Read the title.

by the way, when the turn came, my read of AK turned to a JQ for both. It was too unlikely for them to catch the A. The river K cemented my read.

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they were suited, and no I probably wasn't winning AT THE TIME, but I put them both on AK. I put the small blind on a K and the Big blind on a weak A. I figure, add in my flush outs, and I should be fine. The question wasn't about the preflop play. Read the title.

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your preflop play still leaves a lot to be desired. and you way overplayed the turn and river

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I think you're being cheated at this club. No way should these guys have spiked that ace on the turn unless the dealer's a mechanic. stay away from live play. Come play 100/200 at PokerStars. Please.

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I think you're being cheated at this club. No way should these guys have spiked that ace on the turn unless the dealer's a mechanic. stay away from live play. Come play 100/200 at PokerStars. Please.

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regardless of whether or not he should be playing 100/200 or .5/1 the idea of the forum is to help him rather than berate him.

with that said, you should be playing .25/.5 or even microlimits and read many many books.

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I put them both on AK. I put the small blind on a K and the Big blind on a weak A.

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Tom,
I see you've been around awhile, 698 posts, and I'm confused as to why you are posting this? It sounds like your angry for some reason and posting a ridiculous hand, i.e., how can you put the small and big blind on anything, when they didn't pay to see the flop? That negates any credibility your post may have had.

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but I put them both on AK.

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then your river play is pretty retarded, no?

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I know I butchered this hand, but where did I go wrong?

Thanks a lot. [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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1) Coldcalling 3 preflop.
2) Calling two more on the flop.
3) Thinking the offsuit ace gave you a scare card or more importantly, ANY fold equity.
4) Raising the turn.
5) Raising the river.
6) Calling the three bet.

These were six of the worst decision I've seen made in a mid-high LHE hand in a long time. Every decision you made didn't mildly compound your problem... you basically decided you liked being [censored] in the ass, and 'may I have another.'

Well, you asked!
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Dan

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they were suited, and no I probably wasn't winning AT THE TIME, but I put them both on AK. I put the small blind on a K and the Big blind on a weak A. I figure, add in my flush outs, and I should be fine. The question wasn't about the preflop play. Read the title.

by the way, when the turn came, my read of AK turned to a JQ for both. It was too unlikely for them to catch the A. The river K cemented my read.

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LOL, guess I should read responses before I reply. My bad.

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they were suited, and no I probably wasn't winning AT THE TIME, but I put them both on AK. I put the small blind on a K and the Big blind on a weak A. I figure, add in my flush outs, and I should be fine. The question wasn't about the preflop play. Read the title.

by the way, when the turn came, my read of AK turned to a JQ for both. It was too unlikely for them to catch the A. The river K cemented my read.

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so both of them are putting in 3 bets, on the river, with QJ?

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they were suited, and no I probably wasn't winning AT THE TIME, but I put them both on AK. I put the small blind on a K and the Big blind on a weak A. I figure, add in my flush outs, and I should be fine. The question wasn't about the preflop play. Read the title.

by the way, when the turn came, my read of AK turned to a JQ for both. It was too unlikely for them to catch the A. The river K cemented my read.

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so both of them are putting in 3 bets, on the river, with QJ?

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Wow, bugstud, wow.

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This is about the worst played holdem hand post I've read in months. Are you kidding me? This is a ridiculously badly played hand.

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Are you kidding me?

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We are playing 7 handed at a club in Chicago.
No reads but these, only been at the table for an hour.Four of the guys are really solid players. One is a tricky player who is one of the best players I have played against. The last player is the reason I am in the game. I'd say he is a -1 BB/hour player.


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Assuming a $10/hr/player collection, in order to make $20/hr you’d have to play as well as the other five guys.

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where did I go wrong?


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Way earlier than you think.

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Very funny post. Nice hand.

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The best advice I can give to you is never to play in this game again.

Lawrence

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I think your calendar is incorrect, mine says it's 7/17/05. Your's must be messed up it says 4/1/05 right? Only way this hand makes sense, or the bets are in pesos or something like that.

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I generally learn more from reading others' opinions here, but this might very well have been the most poorly played hand in the history of these forums. Fold preflop, you have a baby suited connector in a shorthanded pot, on the flop you have no heart and no kicker, on the turn you are drawing to virtually nothing, and on the river I can see you beating absolutely nothing.

If you think you're going to represent a flush you might want to delay-bluff but even then a pair of aces will call you down unless the 4th heart hits the board.

You're clearly insane.

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if all hands were shown at showdown, did the other players in the hand tell you - "I play it the same way."

cuz if they did, they were lying.

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Either this hand is a joke or this is a classic case of someone reading Miller's book and completely misapplying it.

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I know I butchered this hand, but where did I go wrong?

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Cap preflop.

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I know I butchered this hand, but where did I go wrong?


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Preflop.

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You are correct, most in this forum are humor-impaired.

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they were suited, and no I probably wasn't winning AT THE TIME, but I put them both on AK. I put the small blind on a K and the Big blind on a weak A. I figure, add in my flush outs, and I should be fine. The question wasn't about the preflop play. Read the title.

by the way, when the turn came, my read of AK turned to a JQ for both. It was too unlikely for them to catch the A. The river K cemented my read.

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Apparently your logic is way over my head, because what you are saying makes absolutely no sense to me. But I play bad.

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We are playing 7 handed at a club in Chicago.
No reads but these, only been at the table for an hour.Four of the guys are really solid players. One is a tricky player who is one of the best players I have played against. The last player is the reason I am in the game. I'd say he is a -1 BB/hour player.

solid player 1 (SP1) open raises UTG. Tricky player re-raises (TP) and I call on the button with 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and the blinds fold...

Three handed, we see a flop of 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Check, Check, I bet, Raise, Raise, I decide I want to see what the turn brings and call, SP1 calls. The turn is an A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. This card could either help me or hurt me. SP1 checks, TP bets...

Hero... Raises. I decided to throw a curveball and semi-bluff raise. I might have the best hand, but if I don't, I can at least force out SP1 with it two bets to him.

Plan backfires, he calls, so does TP.

River comes K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Now SP1 comes to life and bets, TP calls, and I think about my options:

Fold - I don't think this is an option. There is way too much money in the pot.

Call - I am probably beat, I am thinking it's worth it to call here.

Raise - I like this option the most. If I raise, I can force out TP and I will have 33% of the money in the pot for an estimated 40% at winning.

I decide to raise but SP1 throws an unexpected three-bet. TP calls, and I call.

I know I butchered this hand, but where did I go wrong?

Thanks a lot. [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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Misplayed on every street applies here.

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Does anyone actually believe this hand happened?

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I think Tom's point is that there are so many horribly played high-limit hands posted on this forum that this is almost beleivable. Also that 2+2ers don't know a joke when it hits them in the face. Apparently he's right.

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"Raise - I like this option the most. If I raise, I can force out TP and I will have 33% of the money in the pot for an estimated 40% at winning.'

over imaginative. these guys like their hand man. no one is folding. someone might have a flush. fold the river and get onto the next hand.

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i would like to congratulate Tom H for getting so many replies on such a bogus post.
congrats Tom , you've managed to make a lot of ppl look foolish here

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Awesome. So funny [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Next time, make sure to have the first letter of every sentence spell out something like 'pranked'. It adds comedy.

about the worst played hand I have ever seen.......
 

and I am a stud player...

Please tell me you are just kidding, and this was a joke. IF so... it is really funny...

CJ

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I get the joke and I get what you're saying but I'm still in tears over the play of this hand, oh man that is good.