AA-Is This Weak Sauce?
 

Party Poker 1/2 9 handed. No reads, it's only my second orbit. I have AcAs in MP3. Three callers to me and I raise. Button cold calls, 5 to the flop

Flop: 334, two diamonds

All check to me and I bet. 1 fold.

Turn: Qd. I hate this, obviously.

Checks to MP2, who bets. I fold, who hates this?

P.S.- This is the first time I have posted a hand. I tried using the converter with my Party hand history, but I couldn't get it to work. Anyone who wishes to tell me how to use it, I would really appreciate it.

Also, if I left out things you need to know, please tell me so I can do a better job in the future.

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Party Poker 1/2 9 handed. No reads, it's only my second orbit. I have AcAs in MP3. Three callers to me and I raise. Button cold calls, 5 to the flop

Flop: 334, two diamonds

All check to me and I bet. 1 fold.

Turn: Qd. I hate this, obviously.

Checks to MP2, who bets. I fold, who hates this?

P.S.- This is the first time I have posted a hand. I tried using the converter with my Party hand history, but I couldn't get it to work. Anyone who wishes to tell me how to use it, I would really appreciate it.

Also, if I left out things you need to know, please tell me so I can do a better job in the future.

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Remoev the word "Texas" from the file and run it through the converter again.

Raising here is stupid, but so is folding. He could be betting a queen or something. Just call down I think.

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I hate this. It's incredibly weak. You have to raise this bet. MP2 probably just hit a queen. Don't be afraid of the 3 diamonds. Chances are that nobody has a flush.

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Why do you think raising here is stupid? You don't want people with one low diamond hanging around in this pot. Your raise might get them to fold.

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Incredibly weak? Really? Ok. Thank you, you're probably right.

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I'd raise/call down.

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I call this down, I'm not sure what the correct line is.

Ask Pokerbob.

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He's much more likely to have a Q than a flush (think KQ, QJ, QT, etc). I like raising. It'll be for value if against a Q, and for info if it's a flush.

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MP2 might not only have a flush, but he may have a 3. I don't like opening myself up to a 3bet on this scary board. I think calling is reasonable.

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Why do you think raising here is stupid? You don't want people with one low diamond hanging around in this pot. Your raise might get them to fold.

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Nobody is folding a diamond here, but I'm not sure if raising is wrong.(?)

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MP2 might not only have a flush, but he may have a 3. I don't like opening myself up to a 3bet on this scary board. I think calling is reasonable.

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Yeah, He may have slow played a 3, and the 3rd diamond made him protected it.

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True. But also consider that on the flop, you are MP3 and bet out and the next two players called. So if MP2 had a 3 or a flush draw, it seems like he would have raised it and trapped 3 players for an extra bet instead of leading out on the turn.

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You are probably behind, and raising might lead to a 3bet, which would be an autofold and would suck.

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I took a long time to think about this. My main thought was "What's my plan if someone checkraises?". I thought raising would be spewing and I didn't want to put any money in the pot drawing to 2-4 outs.

Apparently I'm wrong. Thanks for telling me.

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Yeah, sure. Check/raising would be a smart play. Fish don't always make the smart play. They love to be tricky and slowplay to the turn when they have trips. And such is the reason why we make money.

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I took a long time to think about this. My main thought was "What's my plan if someone checkraises?". I thought raising would be spewing and I didn't want to put any money in the pot drawing to 2-4 outs.

Apparently I'm wrong. Thanks for telling me.

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I don't think you're wrong in this situation at all. With a scary flop like that and a flush on the turn you need to not overplay your aces. I would call the turn and then call the river as long as a 4th diamond didn't drop.

Results
 

Thanks for the input, everybody. I really appreciate it.

The river was the Ad. Doh. BTW, that's not why I posted this. I thought the turn was a tough decision and I might have [censored] up. So there.

MP3 had 75d, and the turn was indeed checkraised by KTd.

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After reading some of the other replies, I think that both calling and raising are decent plays. Neither seems to be that much better than the other. Maybe with more reads on the players it would be easier to decide which way to go.

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Yeah, sure. Check/raising would be a smart play. Fish don't always make the smart play. They love to be tricky and slowplay to the turn when they have trips. And such is the reason why we make money.

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That is probably the MOST common "move" I see on Party .5/1. Player has a T on an ATT flop and check/calls the flop so he can wait to bet the turn. SOMETIMES, they'll have more fun by ck/raising the turn or even waiting until the river to raise me after I've been happily jamming AJo.

They might even compound their mad skillz by taking a long time to call so as to "appear" doubtful about their action.

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Raise the turn, fold to a 3-bet.

Re: Results
 

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Thanks for the input, everybody. I really appreciate it.

The river was the Ad. Doh. BTW, that's not why I posted this. I thought the turn was a tough decision and I might have [censored] up. So there.

MP3 had 75d, and the turn was indeed checkraised by KTd.

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I should have been more specific and said that if that river diamond was an ace I would do a dance and not fold.

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I am assuming that you don't have the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. You are in an unenviable spot. I think if you want to show this hand down, it is obviously going to cost you 2 bets, so I think I raise this turn and hope to show it down for free by checking behind on the river. If you get 3-bet, it is an easy fold.

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I raise here. even if we're behind, we've got 4 outs to fh.

Re: Results
 

Don't be results oriented, that turn fold was extremly weak-sauce. Now if it had bet and raised before you I could see a fold if you had a decent read.

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I'm not being results oriented. I just kind of threw that out just for fun. I'm trying to concentrate on the turn action.

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This is probably right. No one should sweat this decision as long as they're thinking raise or call, and not call or fold. That's the big deal.

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Bad fold. You had outs to a boat even if MP3 had two diamonds.

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Raise the turn, fold to a 3-bet.

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I don't like the raise because you can't get anyone with even one diamond to fold, and I'd rather stay in for the chances to fill up on the river, but rather not have to pay more to do it. If you make the boat, then you want those flush people in there, hopefully they'll do some raising.