Min betting and min raising.
 

Would I automatically show a profit if I:

1. Reraised big on every minraise preflop?

2. Put in a big raise anytime someone minbets?

3. Folded to every post flop minraise or min-checkraise?

Re: Min betting and min raising.
 

probably no, maybe, mostly yes. IMO: 1 and 3 are basically opposites of each other - the underlying theory: Minraises are worthy of fear esp postflop.
But really, i'm not answering anything because you CANT ignore the fact that it's all read- and player- dependant.

this thread seems familiar...
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Re: Min betting and min raising.
 

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Would I automatically show a profit if I:

1. Reraised big on every minraise?

2. Put in a big raise anytime someone minbets?

3. Folded to every post flop minraise or min-checkraise?

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1. No
2. No
3. No

Too generic of a question. And the word automatic is like the word always. But this should be a topic of discussion on this forum...As we are constantly facing miniraises at our limits....and many in this forum recommend folding almost always in the face of this miniraising epidemic, seeing sets and boats and made flushes and ghosts behind every donk's click of the default raise button.

EDIT: oops, thought I was reading my normal small stakes forum, where we are advised to head for the hills when someone miniraises. Carry on.

Re: Min betting and min raising.
 

I know nothing is automatic. I do not want to include unnecessary parameters to constrain discussion.

Re: Min betting and min raising.
 

I'm sure you datamine.

Make a list of all the players you encounter at 2/4 3/6 whatever that minraise. Go into PT after about a week of datamining their [censored], and look at every situation where they do it. It means different things for certain players. One regular 3/6, 5/10 player on party always minraises the flop when he hits a set. Makes it very easy to play against him, you get the idea....

Re: Min betting and min raising.
 

In general. .

1. No
2. No
3. No

Re: Min betting and min raising.
 

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In general. .

1. YES
2. YES
3. YES

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Re: Min betting and min raising.
 

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Would I automatically show a profit if I:

1. Reraised big on every minraise preflop?

2. Put in a big raise anytime someone minbets?

3. Folded to every post flop minraise or min-checkraise?

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1. No, but close (agianst most players) if you do it with playable hands and count all the times they fold to your continuation bet on the flop. Certianly yes if you count the times you actually hit a hand on the flop and they pay you off.

2. I treat a mini bet (anything less than 10% of the pot) as a check, and play my hand accordingly.

3. No. A mini raise is just a raise. Most players don't vary, they either mini raise or don't. You need to factor in your opponents raising standards, stack sizes, and outs to make that decision.

Re: Min betting and min raising.
 

Min bets inherently give away too much information at too little of a price- but the information varies from opponent to opponent. Also they let you draw cheaper than you should be able to (for people who min bet instead of making a decent sized bet).

1. no
2. no
3. no

just outplay minbettors... they are ugly, dont feel you need to do something special to deal with the minbet, as then you become the money losing ugly one.

-durrrr

Re: Min betting and min raising.
 

Why don't you play 20,000+ low-stake hands like this and come back and tell us?

Re: Min betting and min raising.
 

not against someone who has somewhat of a clue

Re: Min betting and min raising.
 

One of the most important note-taking I have against online players is...

min-raise preflop =....
min-raise postflop =.... CR =....
min-bet postflop =....

and then I usually try to write down what they do in response to a raise of their min-bets, etc. and go from there. This is very +EV to take these notes

Re: Min betting and min raising.
 

I like that idea and will start using it today. Info like this is the reason I'm a member of 2+2. Can't thank you enough for sharing this.

Re: Min betting and min raising.
 

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In general. .

1. YES
2. YES
3. YES

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My experience is that the answer to all three of those questions are yes, yes, and yes. Minbets are morons who are trying to see if they can take down a $15 pot with a $4 bet. It's often done by people with bottom pair, crap kicker, or perhaps worse.

Minraises are generally done with strong hands, to try to lure just a bit more money out of a person.

Obviously I'm generalizing BIG TIME, but so was the original question. In the long run, I think all three of your points are +EV.

Re: Min betting and min raising.
 

Points 1 and 2 are clearly "no". If you look at the original question the poster asks if it would be +EV to ALWAYS put in a raise to min raises pre flop and min bets post flop. Unless you are playing with a bunch of ADD kids eventually someone will catch on.

Also even if playing with a bunch of unknowns I don't think players who min raise their suited connectors and pocket pairs pre flop are going to fold enough times to your pre flop re raise to make it a worthwhile play, unless you are a lot better postflop than them and can make them throw away the best hand a certain percentage of the times you do take it to flop.

Point 3 is debatable and completely player dependent. I've found that people fear the min raise too much, but maybe that's just the case in the games I play. It seems like people min raise more to "see where they are at" than do sweeten a big pot with a big hand.

Re: Min betting and min raising.
 

i will answer this in general. as everyone said, stuff's obviously opp dependent.

Preflop minraises tend to be weak. So if you raise big-ish, you should take it down. this is doubly true of LP minraises.

postflop minbets tend to be weak, especially on draw heavy board. this is usually someone either trying to buy the pot cheap or get the draw cheap. one exception is a thinking player who may be trying to induce a raise. another exception is on a late st, like the river, when someone is blockbetting a showdownable hand. but if they're doing this, chances are their blockbet is larger than the minimum. reasonable observation should indicate what your opp is capable of.

postflop minraises. this is different, IMO. It depends on how much strength you have shown. If you have shown strength, say raising prefl and then betting the flop, and you get minraised, i'm usually not surprised to be shown a set. especially if they lead hard into you on the next st.

Re: Min betting and min raising.
 

Would you automatically show a profit if you:

1) Min-raised the PF raiser with any 2 on the flop and potted the turn -

maybe...