JTo UTG against LAG
 

I decided to play above my BR (I usually play 1/2) to see if I could handle it (and I got some birthday $ [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]) Villian was LAGish, rest of the table seemed decent. I raised PF to narrow the field, the 3-bet from CO worried me so I just called. Flop I had 2 overs and a BDSD, so I bet out. CO gets aggressive again so I put him on an overpair. Turn I bet out as a bluff when the ace fell, seems like it slowed CO down so I can narrow his hand. River, I spiked one of my outs, so I bet out again. Should I have just called the river raise?
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, BB folds, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (11.5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, CO calls.

River: (14.5 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: (23.5 BB)

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

Fold preflop.
check/call the flop.
check/fold the turn.

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

To be perfectly honest every street was misplayed.

Preflop - fold this 100% of the time

Flop - ack ... u got no piece of this board there is no reason to continue even if villains got overs your looking at about 7 outs if their all clean, prob not the case.

Turn - Good Idea but your not getting a better hand to fold here and your just looking to be raised again.

River - So you hit a jack but the overpair you put him on still beats you why lead out again. Your only being called by a better hand here.

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

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check/fold the turn.

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I disagree, bluffing will win a good percentage of the time in this large pot.

Re: JTo UTG and I am a LAG
 

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T, J.
Hero raises,

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Who's the lag?

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

I disagree, you contradict yourself. A big pot is not gonna get anybody to fold. If villain is a decent player one bet is not going to get him to fold kk or qq guaranteed assuming thats what he has which might not be true.

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

JT off???? UTG?? This the easiest fold in the history of mankind.

Re: JTo UTG and I am a LAG
 

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Who's the lag?

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I don't understand, I thought it was correct to provide reads on hand posts.

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

I dont want to concentrate on preflop, my question was about the river.

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You shouldnt be there but thats a check/fold situation right there. BTW you should concentrate on preflop,flop,and turn as well cause they were all misplayed

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

Whatever I won a giant pot, I was just worried that he had my jacks beat on the river so I was wondering if I should just call!! Given my play throughout the hand what is the right play on river!!

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Whatever I won a giant pot, I was just worried that he had my jacks beat on the river so I was wondering if I should just call!! Given my play throughout the hand what is the right play on river!!

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Capping this river is consistent with your play on the earlier streets.

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

Let me say if you truly won that pot im Shocked! Shocked i say and would like to no what table you and villain are at immediatly.

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

i left after the hand cuz my BR is too small for 5/10 but villian had TT.

Re: JTo UTG and I am a LAG
 

i think u missed the point

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

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Whatever I won a giant pot

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This is deeply retarded. So is playing above your bankroll.

If you're not going to take the constructive criticism maturely, then what the hell did you post this for? Did you want some kind of affirmation for how you completely misplayed every street (including the river, which never should have been an issue)?

I guess I'm unintentionally bumping this, but no one has said this yet: this does not belong on the forum.

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

sorry can it be deleted?

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

Your problems started preflop when you didn't automuck this. Regardless of what you want to concentrate on, this is the main issue, not to mention how every other street was completely butchered.

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This is deeply retarded.

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I really, really hate when people use the word "retarded" but this is deeply funny.

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

i deeply concur

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

No winning player plays that on a full table in first postion maybe if it's suited and passive. It's barely playale on a short table. You better move down to micro limits where that mistake won't get punished frequently.......

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

This post actually demonstrates the inner workings of the lag brain. Usually I have no idea what this kind of player is thinking when they turn over hands like this. Its interesting how it shows the step by step thought process, instead of the usual 'they have to be drunk' or 'they don't actually think about their hand'

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

ni han

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

Fold preflop. Once in a blue moon I might raise from UTG with JTs; JTo should be an automatic muck on any level above .50/1, and usually a fold on the microlimits as well. Raising it on a 5/10 full table is just asking people to take your money.

Especially after you get 3-bet, and 3-bet after 2 other players had coldcalled no less, leading the flop is just dumb. You have jack high, which beats approximately 0% of the hands that CO might have, let alone the 2 coldcallers between you. You don't even have a draw. If I'd been sniffing glue and found myself playing this the way you did preflop, I hope that I'd have enough sense to check/call this flop (getting at least 16:1 to call 1 bet folding would be wrong, even with such a weak holding).

Having done that on the flop, the turn becomes the easiest check/fold ever. You are up against 3 opponents, and again, you have about a 0% chance of holding the best hand and a similar chance of pushing all 3 opponents off of their hands. This bet is as surely -EV as going for a new world record in the chip throw on a crowded casino floor would be.

You did not hit one of your outs on the river, as you did not have outs. Considering that you shouldn't have been in the hand to begin with, and definitely shouldn't have seen the river, leading the river is lame, 3-betting the river is worse still, and calling the cap is the kind of play that gets you on my buddy list. The LAG in this hand was you.

In summary, the mistakes that I see in the play of this hand (in order from biggest mistake to least), are:

1) Betting the turn instead of check/folding.
2) Not folding preflop.
3) 3-betting the river.
4) Calling the river cap.
5) Leading the flop.
6) Raising preflop.
7) Not folding to the river raise.
8) Leading the river.

I'm not trying to be rude or harsh, but if this hand is typical of the way you play poker, you have no business sitting at a 5/10 or even 1/2 table. Unless you don't like money. Buy &amp; read a copy of SSH and listen to the comments you get on these forums if you are serious about playing this game profitably.

EDIT: After reading the other replies, I see that you actually somehow won this hand. This makes the villian not a LAG but a maniac, but does nothing to change the plethora of ways in which this hand was misplayed.

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

After reading this hand, I've informed silkyslim that he needs to quit poker.

-Craig
<font color="white"> He imformed me that it was play money, suckas! </font>

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

HE HAD A READ. Thats why you're stuck in the small stakes forum and he will be playing 100/200 within a week.

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

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This is deeply retarded.

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I really, really hate when people use the word "retarded" but this is deeply funny.

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It was deeply developmentally disabled.

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HE HAD A READ. Thats why you're stuck in the small stakes forum and he will be playing 100/200 within a week.

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Joking, right?

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Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

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I decided to play above my BR (I usually play 1/2) to see if I could handle it

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Villian was LAGish, rest of the table seemed decent.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>

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No, you can't handle it.

Re: JTo UTG against LAG
 

this post is the very reason why SS sucks