playing the tourist in vegas?
 

i'll be in vegas this weekened. i plan on playing poker a few times... mostly for fun, since i won't really have the time to get into it to much. discussing with friends and acquantences, i thought it'd be fun to pretend like i'm a complete tourist. ask dumb questions. ask if i'm allowed to raise. string bet. be the obnoxious punk kid, the rocks in my game generally get annoyed with.

i just think it'd be fun to try, but i've been thinking whether there is any benefit in doing this. i play a pretty tight aggressive game, but i'd probably have to change it up a bit.

either they'll see me as a complete fish and give me all the action i can ask for cause they don't think i'll know anything.

or, i'll be able to bluff a lot or buy free cards for nothing. example, if i'm in late position. and someone bets into me, i can call and the try to string raise. they won't let me, but a player will look at that as a show of strenght and check on the next hand.

i'm not trying to hustle, i've always been into personal socialogical expirements and observations on human nature. and would like to see how this effects people.

is this unethical to pull moves like this? is it worth doing? anyone see any benefits to this?

just curious. thanks.

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

Might be fun to try for a goof, but my (limited) experience is that the regulars will see through it based on your play pretty fast.

I also think an intentionally disallowed string raise is beyond playing the part and strays into being a bit of an angle shoot. Maybe that's just me though.

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

Its totally bush league what you are thinking of doing. You shouldnt have to try to angle shoot and pull stunts like this if you are a decent player.

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

The only ones you will be fool are people whom you already have an edge against.

That doesn't mean it won't be fun to do. I just doubt that you'll gain any extra EV for your efforts.

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

as i said it's mostly for fun.

to be honest it's more of a challenge just to see if i can hold up an sort of facade. it'll be tough cause i have the nasty habit of shuffling chips.

my friends don't think i can stop doing this at the poker table, and they're probably right, so it's sort of a test on myself.

i was just wondering if there was any edge to any of this.

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

I spoke with my wife recently about having her take a flyer someday in the top section at Bellagio. We'd have to have some cash to burn, but I'd love to put her in a tough game, maybe 75-150 stud or something, after she's had a few. If she can catch a couple hands it could be really hilarious. I told her if she won a big pot to open her purse, start raking chips in and laugh and say "I can go shopping now." just to see what happens. You have to know how she gets a gleam in her eye when shopping is mentioned to really appreciate this stunt. There won't be any positive ev tho. [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

Women, shopping, booze, and gambling winnings are a dangerous,dangerous recipie my friend.

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

It's not just women. My father was recently cleaning out his closet and brought over a sweater for my son. He bought it after a big night at the craps table many years ago at the Riviera. I can only assume he was twelve sheets to the wind. If he wore that sweater and walked into a room with Osama Bin Laden, people would say, "There's Andy's dad wearing that awful sweater."

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

I play with fire baby! [img]/forums/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

Yes, HDPM, play with fire and get burnt. To the poster who wants to attempt a sting raise vs. the local pros, I say "bring it". Babe [img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img]

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

Oddjob, you wrote:
either they'll see me as a complete fish and give me all the action i can ask for cause they don't think i'll know anything. NO.

or, i'll be able to bluff a lot or buy free cards for nothing - NO.

My suggestion to you is to PG and drop the drama [img]/forums/images/icons/crazy.gif[/img] LGPG, Babe [img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img]

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

You would do better by expending your energy concentrating on your own game and playing solid poker against everyone at the table.

-Zeno

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

I hate to ask the stupid question here but what's an angle shoot???

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

Someone who looks to get an edge in not so kosher ways. String betting a good example. Worm from rounders a good example of this type of character. Angle shooters fall somewhere between fly **** and cockroaches in the grand scheme of things.

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

Thanks, maybe I should ask this one in the beginners forum but what's string betting???

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

you're probably correct. but i'm a low limts leisure player that does well at my local low limit casino games, so i'm just trying to add a bit of fun.

since i can't seem to make myself look good. i've amended your motto to:

play good, have fun.

one thing i can't stand at low limits is people who take it too seriously.

thanks for the input all.

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

Thanks, maybe I should ask this one in the beginners forum but what's string betting???

String betting is making a call, and then making a raise. The classic form, is from the old western poker game.

'I'll see your 100 head of cattle,...and I'll raise you 160 acres of prime land...'

It is not approved, because the original bettors reaction to a call, might be the reason that the second player raises. String bets are not allowed in public cardrooms.

Usually what happens is, a player brings out enough chips to make a call, and then goes back to his stack for more chips to raise.

If you are going to raise, in most cardrooms, you need to bring out at least 1/2 of the value of your raise. For example, in a 15-30 game, you would need to have at least $45 in your hand to make your raise, otherwise the raise would be disallowed. The other way to make your raise is to verbally declare your raise, and then you can bring your chips out as you wish. I think that it is generally better to verbally raise, because then you have preserved your rights, no matter how badly you fumble with your chips.

Good luck,
play well,

Bob T.

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

Okay I know what you mean now. They put a line at our card room to prevent that type of thing from happening. Your verbal bet counts. If you bring your chips out over the line without saying anything you are considered called. If there is no bet to you and you tap over the line you have to bet the max even though you may want to have just called. On the other hand if you just say raise and throw out say ffour of an 8 dollar raise then your bet is only 4 unless you have said 4.

Confusing??? Kind-a....I do the verbal..."4" "8" "16" "Fold" ....after that the mental 'F$%k' [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Re: playing the tourist in vegas?
 

If you can look like a scared college kid (like in Vegas for his 21st, bring a football beer to the table or whatever) who's trying out poker for the first time you can induce some bluffy calls and raises from players one generation older, but after the first check raise the game is up...it's worth it though, I got to check raise a guy who looked like my physics prof. on all streets (AK vs. A10). But after that hand the gig was up.

I wonder if N+1 generation players always gun vs. N players. Grandpa is cool, but Dad takes it personal.

Oh yeah, and play the Excalibur game. It's a hoot.

NK