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Alot of people around here are making alot of money. I am just curious why I dont see alot of threads about donating the majority of people's earnings to charity? Why do people buy Porsches and Jaguars when others are homeless? Why do we buy gold, when others are starving to death? have you people no shame? Why arent you giving your money to poor people?

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Because the fatal flaw of human nature is greed.

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If you truely feel strongly about this you could go transfer some of your bankroll to players at the small stakes tables.

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Alot of people around here are making alot of money. I am just curious why I dont see alot of threads about donating the majority of people's earnings to charity? Why do people buy Porsches and Jaguars when others are homeless? Why do we buy gold, when others are starving to death? have you people no shame? Why arent you giving your money to poor people?

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I do. The difference being that I don't broadcast it into the whole world so that I can be praised. I am not doing it for that.

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I feel no obligation too.

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Read Mark chapter 6, verse 1-4. This isn't a Christian plug, it's just a good point about giving and charity.

Summary: When you give, do so in secret so that you are giving for reasons that are not selfish.

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My wealth is not at the expense of the poor. The poor are not poor because I am rich. While poker is a zero sum game, life is not. Wealth is created. I feel sorry for a lot of people in the world -- but my money isn't going to do a damn thing for them. Getting away from liberals and socialists who preach income redistribution, zero sum economics and government solutions will help them.

There will always be poor -- as long as there are liberals.

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My wealth is not at the expense of the poor. The poor are not poor because I am rich. While poker is a zero sum game, life is not. Wealth is created. I feel sorry for a lot of people in the world -- but my money isn't going to do a damn thing for them. Getting away from liberals and socialists who preach income redistribution, zero sum economics and government solutions will help them.

There will always be poor -- as long as there are liberals.

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Agreed.

When I hear about income inequality and the "gap" between the rich and the poor supposedly widening, I have to laugh. Don't people realize that what matters is the size of the PIE? If the whole pie grows it doesn't matter what the friggin proportion is because everyone's benefiting anyhow.

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My wealth is not at the expense of the poor. The poor are not poor because I am rich. While poker is a zero sum game, life is not. Wealth is created. I feel sorry for a lot of people in the world -- but my money isn't going to do a damn thing for them. Getting away from liberals and socialists who preach income redistribution, zero sum economics and government solutions will help them.

There will always be poor -- as long as there are liberals.

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It must be tough being that retarded.

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I don't know about others, but in my church, God asks for 10 percent (tithing). My church asks for 5 percent and wants you to find other causes for the other 5 percent. So if you can afford porsches, plasma tvs, or whatever else with your 90 percent leftover, feel free to.

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My wealth is not at the expense of the poor. The poor are not poor because I am rich. While poker is a zero sum game, life is not. Wealth is created. I feel sorry for a lot of people in the world -- but my money isn't going to do a damn thing for them. Getting away from liberals and socialists who preach income redistribution, zero sum economics and government solutions will help them.

There will always be poor -- as long as there are liberals.

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It must be tough being that retarded.

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Liberals don't cause poverty, but it is a myth that conservatives i.e. republicans do. Income redistribution has proved to not work. It's what we have been doing for the last century and it obviously doesn't work to cure poverty. Relying on govt. to take care of you = bad. Personal responsibility = good. I don't feel bad for a lot of poor people. They have chosen to live that way by not taking jobs that others (namely, immigrants) would die for. On the other hand, I feel terrible for homeless people who are out there because they are handicapped in some way, shape, or form. Some are blind, some are retarded, some have been abused, some are veterans that can no longer function in society. These are the people that the govt. needs to help. The others just need to get a [censored] job and stop having babies.

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I don't like them.

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I work from Jan-Apr to indirectly pay the poor redistribution . God will have to take a rain check.

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It must be tough being that retarded.

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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that is true. Maybe it makes you able to feel OK about yourself by voting a certain way or agreeing or disagreeing with certain political views.

This is the way it is in MA:
I used to work in a homeless shelter. I still work in the field of social services. The majority (the vast majority of longer term) homeless are on SSI or SSDI. They get a check in the neighborhood of $650.00 a month even if they have never worked before. If they have it goes up from there, but usually under a grand a month. They pay 0 for food and clothing and medical expenses (well maybe a $2-3 co-pay for drugs). They are allowed to live in shelters without doing anything to help themselves for the rest of their natural lives. All those homeless people you see begging for money: they are collecting social security checks.

In the shelters, they empty out on the 1st and 3rd of the month. This is because that is when their government checks come in. They go get motel rooms and booze and drugs. They come back a few days later after all their money is gone and repeat this cycle month after month.

They are eligible for housing subsidies. The ones who stay in shelters and on the streets for years do not want them because they would have to spend 200 of their 700 on rent and utilities (the way the subsidies work they pay 30% of their income towards housing and the taxpayers pay the rest-the same people who are paying for the government check in the first place). They don't want to spend any money on rent because it cuts into their booze and drug budget.

I have worked in this field for over 10 years so I know a few things about it.

They get free money for not working. Do you think this is teaching them to work? It is reinforcing them to not work.

The one's who go for the housing subisies are getting even more free government money (read taxpayer money).

$500/month in cash after they pay their 'portion' of rent and utilitis.

$500/month in the form of a housing subsidy. (this is my estimate, if your not familair with housing costs in MA it is about a grand or more for 1 bedrooms so the subsidy they get often contributes more than the 500 estimate I provided)

They get a 1 bedroom apartment. How many working poor can afford their own apartment? In MA this does not happen.

So that's a grand a month. Throw in free medical care.

I pay 100 a month for my medication co-pays and I have the most expensive medical plan my company offers. That plan costs me about $140 a month.

Maybe that is significanlty over the average but I'll use that as an estimate.

So on top of the grand add another $240 (in MA there is free insurance called mass health and also anyone who is poor gets 'free care' if they just apply for it at a public hospital)

$1240/month

Transportation?

Bus/Subway pass costs $71/month.

They get a pass (not all of them but many) that is good for 5 years and costs 5 bucks. They pay .35 and .25 for subway and bus with this pass. Another savings of $50

$1290/month and living in one's own apartment.

Food pantries: good for another $100/month

Food stamps: good for another $30/month

$1420/month

How much does someone have to earn pre tax to walk away with $1420? $1600? That's like $10 bucks an hour.

So they are making $10 bucks an hour to do whatever they please with their free time. watch tv, whatever.

You think they are going to go struggle to get a job at minimum wage when they get all that for free?

Who is in favor of the policies that dish out those entitlement programs? Liberals? Conservatives? Libertarians? Green Party? You?

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this is pretty amazing, but i am sure that not all states have the same rules.

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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that is true. Maybe it makes you able to feel OK about yourself by voting a certain way or agreeing or disagreeing with certain political views.

This is the way it is in MA:
I used to work in a homeless shelter. I still work in the field of social services. The majority (the vast majority of longer term) homeless are on SSI or SSDI. They get a check in the neighborhood of $650.00 a month even if they have never worked before. If they have it goes up from there, but usually under a grand a month. They pay 0 for food and clothing and medical expenses (well maybe a $2-3 co-pay for drugs). They are allowed to live in shelters without doing anything to help themselves for the rest of their natural lives. All those homeless people you see begging for money: they are collecting social security checks.

In the shelters, they empty out on the 1st and 3rd of the month. This is because that is when their government checks come in. They go get motel rooms and booze and drugs. They come back a few days later after all their money is gone and repeat this cycle month after month.

They are eligible for housing subsidies. The ones who stay in shelters and on the streets for years do not want them because they would have to spend 200 of their 700 on rent and utilities (the way the subsidies work they pay 30% of their income towards housing and the taxpayers pay the rest-the same people who are paying for the government check in the first place). They don't want to spend any money on rent because it cuts into their booze and drug budget.

I have worked in this field for over 10 years so I know a few things about it.

They get free money for not working. Do you think this is teaching them to work? It is reinforcing them to not work.

The one's who go for the housing subisies are getting even more free government money (read taxpayer money).

$500/month in cash after they pay their 'portion' of rent and utilitis.

$500/month in the form of a housing subsidy. (this is my estimate, if your not familair with housing costs in MA it is about a grand or more for 1 bedrooms so the subsidy they get often contributes more than the 500 estimate I provided)

They get a 1 bedroom apartment. How many working poor can afford their own apartment? In MA this does not happen.

So that's a grand a month. Throw in free medical care.

I pay 100 a month for my medication co-pays and I have the most expensive medical plan my company offers. That plan costs me about $140 a month.

Maybe that is significanlty over the average but I'll use that as an estimate.

So on top of the grand add another $240 (in MA there is free insurance called mass health and also anyone who is poor gets 'free care' if they just apply for it at a public hospital)

$1240/month

Transportation?

Bus/Subway pass costs $71/month.

They get a pass (not all of them but many) that is good for 5 years and costs 5 bucks. They pay .35 and .25 for subway and bus with this pass. Another savings of $50

$1290/month and living in one's own apartment.

Food pantries: good for another $100/month

Food stamps: good for another $30/month

$1420/month

How much does someone have to earn pre tax to walk away with $1420? $1600? That's like $10 bucks an hour.

So they are making $10 bucks an hour to do whatever they please with their free time. watch tv, whatever.

You think they are going to go struggle to get a job at minimum wage when they get all that for free?

Who is in favor of the policies that dish out those entitlement programs? Liberals? Conservatives? Libertarians? Green Party? You?

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i live in thailand.

i make more, after taxes, in one hour playing poker then 75% of thai peole make in a month. (this isnt an estimate.)

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In all fairness it should be known that they don't get all if this just because they are poor (the housing subsidies and medical care, and in the case of living in shelters free food, clothing, and food stamps and discount public transportaion, yes)

They need to apply for and qualify for social security and/or social security disability. Up until about 6 years ago being diagnosed as an alcoholic or addict automatically qualified you. Those rules have sinced changed. Now you need a mental or physical disability that prevents you from gainful employment. So when that change was being put into effect social service providers assisted all of the addicts and alcoholics with changing their diagnosis to major depression (among others).

With a sporatic work history and a homeless shelter as an address, one is off to a good start in being diagnosed with major depression. (and in all fairness most are depressed). The problem is with the 'entitlements' i.e. handouts. Are most capable of rehabilitation, yes. Is it worth it for them economically? NO.

Sometimes when someone applies for disability they get denied the first time. However, they are allowed unlimited appeals. And the best part: The money clock starts ticking when the application is first submitted (all this is nation wide).
If it takes 3 years before you 'qualify' the money is paid retroactively. If someone in this boat happens to be a drug addict imagine them getting thier 'retro check' (money paid retroactively from the first day they applied). This would be a check in the neighboorhood of 20-25 grand. Think they are going to use it for downpayment for a condo? Job training? LOL. Say hello to the crack man!

If someone is denied they only need to continue not working (i.e. proof they can't work) and if they want to further secure their chances they can go check into a mental hospital or stage some sort of breakdown.

I know one guy who was a crack head. He was an ex navy guy and staying in the vetrans shelter. He was working day labor to pay for his crack. He became quite jealous of all the other guys who were getting free checks each month so he found out about applying.

When he went to see the psychiatrist to be interviewed/evaluated he just acted angry and as confused as a 3 year old on crack.

Doctor gives him a 6 piece puzzle of a cow to assemble (something a 5 year old can do) and he puts the thing together wrong and acts angry at the puzzle. lol

Doctor tells him some simple 3 sentence story about a man fishing and asks him to summarise the story back. He talks about slapping someone with a fish, fish eggs on the loose, whatever...lol.

Outcome: Free check for $1,100 a month (he had a work history).

Eventually he went into a program to get off crack/booze and went to a free computer traning program. He now makes 50K plus a year.

However almost no one comes off the system once they are on it because it's simply not economically worth it.

18k a year for free (living in your own 1 bedroom apartment which is part of the 18K) or 25K busing your ass working 40 hours a week? lol democrats in action.


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this is pretty amazing, but i am sure that not all states have the same rules.

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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that is true. Maybe it makes you able to feel OK about yourself by voting a certain way or agreeing or disagreeing with certain political views.

This is the way it is in MA:
I used to work in a homeless shelter. I still work in the field of social services. The majority (the vast majority of longer term) homeless are on SSI or SSDI. They get a check in the neighborhood of $650.00 a month even if they have never worked before. If they have it goes up from there, but usually under a grand a month. They pay 0 for food and clothing and medical expenses (well maybe a $2-3 co-pay for drugs). They are allowed to live in shelters without doing anything to help themselves for the rest of their natural lives. All those homeless people you see begging for money: they are collecting social security checks.

In the shelters, they empty out on the 1st and 3rd of the month. This is because that is when their government checks come in. They go get motel rooms and booze and drugs. They come back a few days later after all their money is gone and repeat this cycle month after month.

They are eligible for housing subsidies. The ones who stay in shelters and on the streets for years do not want them because they would have to spend 200 of their 700 on rent and utilities (the way the subsidies work they pay 30% of their income towards housing and the taxpayers pay the rest-the same people who are paying for the government check in the first place). They don't want to spend any money on rent because it cuts into their booze and drug budget.

I have worked in this field for over 10 years so I know a few things about it.

They get free money for not working. Do you think this is teaching them to work? It is reinforcing them to not work.

The one's who go for the housing subisies are getting even more free government money (read taxpayer money).

$500/month in cash after they pay their 'portion' of rent and utilitis.

$500/month in the form of a housing subsidy. (this is my estimate, if your not familair with housing costs in MA it is about a grand or more for 1 bedrooms so the subsidy they get often contributes more than the 500 estimate I provided)

They get a 1 bedroom apartment. How many working poor can afford their own apartment? In MA this does not happen.

So that's a grand a month. Throw in free medical care.

I pay 100 a month for my medication co-pays and I have the most expensive medical plan my company offers. That plan costs me about $140 a month.

Maybe that is significanlty over the average but I'll use that as an estimate.

So on top of the grand add another $240 (in MA there is free insurance called mass health and also anyone who is poor gets 'free care' if they just apply for it at a public hospital)

$1240/month

Transportation?

Bus/Subway pass costs $71/month.

They get a pass (not all of them but many) that is good for 5 years and costs 5 bucks. They pay .35 and .25 for subway and bus with this pass. Another savings of $50

$1290/month and living in one's own apartment.

Food pantries: good for another $100/month

Food stamps: good for another $30/month

$1420/month

How much does someone have to earn pre tax to walk away with $1420? $1600? That's like $10 bucks an hour.

So they are making $10 bucks an hour to do whatever they please with their free time. watch tv, whatever.

You think they are going to go struggle to get a job at minimum wage when they get all that for free?

Who is in favor of the policies that dish out those entitlement programs? Liberals? Conservatives? Libertarians? Green Party? You?

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How many girlfriends and topless maids do you have?

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Why arent you giving your money to poor people?

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I am. About 26% of everything I earn goes to the government who then (mainly) give it to poor people. Then out of what I have left, every time I buy anything other than basic things needed to survive, abother 17.5% goes to the government who mainly spend it on poor people.

So don't go gobbing off about how I don't give money to the poor.

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so you pay taxes to support these people or because you have to?

i want everyone to have their basic human needs met, and for everyone to have a chance to be successful in life, after that it doesnt matter to me.

there is no reason for me to buy 4 people hondas instead of me buying a porsche.

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I am. About 26% of everything I earn goes to the government who then (mainly) give it to poor people. Then out of what I have left, every time I buy anything other than basic things needed to survive, abother 17.5% goes to the government who mainly spend it on poor people.

So don't go gobbing off about how I don't give money to the poor.

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Because it's my money, if they want money they can go earn it, just like I did.

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No Gris.. Actually he was pretty much dead on.

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I am the poor person I'm donating to

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so you pay taxes to support these people or because you have to?

i want everyone to have their basic human needs met, and for everyone to have a chance to be successful in life, after that it doesnt matter to me.

there is no reason for me to buy 4 people hondas instead of me buying a porsche.

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Why arent you giving your money to poor people?

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I am. About 26% of everything I earn goes to the government who then (mainly) give it to poor people. Then out of what I have left, every time I buy anything other than basic things needed to survive, abother 17.5% goes to the government who mainly spend it on poor people.

So don't go gobbing off about how I don't give money to the poor.

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Out of interest Kane, are you a Thai national, or do you live there for the cheap cost of living ($700 a month I believe you once said) and absence of compulsory taxes on gambling? If so, do you pay tax on your gambling winnings in your country of origin or is there a double taxation agreement? Do you have to dodge across the border every 3 months for your visa? (To those of you from the US, a visa is what you need when you visit another country, like Europe, and you also need a PASSPORT).

Bingo

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"Why dont you give away your money to poor people?"

...I would prefer to plant big forests all around the world...
...and IF I would spend money to the poor i wouldnt broadcast it either...
...by the way: how much of YOUR money do YOU spend?

Pokey

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i have a tourist visa.

there is NO legal escape from paying taxes to the IRS.

i get a 60 day visa from a thai consulate outside thailand, extend it 30 days, 14 days, 7 days, then i do it again.

you have to be 20 yo to get married in thailand. in feb, ill probally just marry my gf here, then i get a sweet visa deal.

if you keep going and coming, they may make you open a bank account in a thai bank for 5k USD.

i really dont want to be flooded with pm'sasking the same general queestions. just ask me on any thread i post in on 2+2.

gambling in thailand is illegal. you can access all poker sites but you cannot make a deposit withdrawal. my mom does this for me back home.

for the guys pming me "where is thailand exactly? i heard they love american men" ...just stay in alabama, please.

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Okay, so do I:

- Buy 4 people Honda's?
- Buy 12 people some crappy second-hand car that nevertheless gets them where they need to go?
- Spend the money on food for starving people in Africa?

I've been struggling with this question myself. I haven't been able to come up with a satisfying answer yet.

Who exactly are 'poor people'? If I give everything I earn but do not need to every person that is in need of money - and obviously I'm not talking about 'poor' Americans here, as is pointed out above - they will all be a tiny fraction less broke, still hungry and what not.
So obviopusly I should limit the number of people that I help, if I choose to. How should I discriminate?

Suppose I give it to friends who are really needy (I haven't had to yet, but I definitely will if the situation arises). Are they more deserving than others, because I happen to know them? I could probably be friends with a lot of people that are in dire financial straits, yet I don't go around giving money to random people.

How about charitable organisations? In my view, a lot of people give money because it buys them a good feeling. They send a few hundred bucks, the nagging image of starving children gets out of their minds for a while. They go to bed feeling good about themselves because they know every month part of their income goes to 'charity'. I do it too, but I haven't been keeping up the amount as I moved up in limits. Also, I keep reading about how inefficient these organisations work - up to 95% of funds can get either wasted on inefficient 'aid' programs or ends up in the pockets of managers. And that's without taking into account the corruption in countries that receive financial aid. I'll admit that I need to do a little more research, though.

It'll be interesting to read more responses to this.

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the thing is that the people getting the hondas should instead buy bicycles for others, who should instead buy shoes for others, etc.

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Good point. Even if they needed a car, it would still be somehow 'wrong' for them to accept it. By accepting it, they would be choosing their own having a car over many others having bicycles/food/whatnot.

Maybe I should just use all my excess money to buy my (conscientious) neighbor a Porsche, and let the problem solve itself from there..

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Sure there is.....if you use double taxation agreements to your advantage.

Bingo

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Most poor people are poor because they choose to be. If you gave them a lot of money, most of them would find a way to go through it and become poor again.

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""Because I hate poor people. I hate them, [Kane]. They're all so poor, and many of 'em talk funny, and don't have proper table manners...my father slaved away at the Fortune 500 company he inherited so that I could go to Choate, Brown and Harvard and see that this country isn't overrun by poor people and lesbians."

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Alot of people around here are making alot of money. I am just curious why I dont see alot of threads about donating the majority of people's earnings to charity?

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Maybe because this is a poker strategy forum.

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Why do people buy Porsches and Jaguars when others are homeless?

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Because cars are nice to drive and giving cars to homeless people is not going to do much good if the homeless people don't know how to drive it.

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Why do we buy gold, when others are starving to death?

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Because gold is a pretty nice commodity to have and over the many years has been proven to be the one resource that all currency/commodities measure up against. I don't know about feeding poor people gold, they might choke on it don't ya think?

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I always give a quarter to the dancing midget clown at this local pub and he plays his little harmonica and dances like a leprechaun. I'm afraid if I give him a dollar, he'll dance all night and never stop which will piss off the other bar patrons.

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No. I have no shame, but I do have a very good understanding that goes on with the logistics, economics, politics involved with the ordeals of world hunger, sickness and poverty that you clearly don't. You think it is all that easy to just give some poor people some money and that it is all a-ok don't you KKF? In reality, the difficulties and obstacles to really help other people on a monetary level are tremendous.

If you have not already, I suggest you join Red Cross or any credible international aid agency to see just how difficult it is to "give money to the poor."

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Because I have to. And because twats like Bob Geldoff keep going round telling governments to take even more of my money and give it to the poor without my consent.

If I didn't pay taxes I would be far more receptive to the idea

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How would turning otherwise gainfully employed people at Porsche and Jaguar into unemployed people help society?

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Sure there is.....if you use double taxation agreements to your advantage.

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on gambling winnings?

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Yeah, those children in Africa dying of AIDS, malaria, and starvation - they really should show some initiative and open up a savings account or something.

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My wealth is not at the expense of the poor. The poor are not poor because I am rich. While poker is a zero sum game, life is not. Wealth is created. I feel sorry for a lot of people in the world -- but my money isn't going to do a damn thing for them. Getting away from liberals and socialists who preach income redistribution, zero sum economics and government solutions will help them.

There will always be poor -- as long as there are liberals.

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It must be tough being that retarded.

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Liberals don't cause poverty, but it is a myth that conservatives i.e. republicans do. Income redistribution has proved to not work. It's what we have been doing for the last century and it obviously doesn't work to cure poverty. Relying on govt. to take care of you = bad. Personal responsibility = good. I don't feel bad for a lot of poor people. They have chosen to live that way by not taking jobs that others (namely, immigrants) would die for. On the other hand, I feel terrible for homeless people who are out there because they are handicapped in some way, shape, or form. Some are blind, some are retarded, some have been abused, some are veterans that can no longer function in society. These are the people that the govt. needs to help. The others just need to get a [censored] job and stop having babies.

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This ain't the forum for political discussion, so all I'll say is that I never meant to imply that conservatives are responsible for poverty. But to blame liberals is just short of insane. Yes, if only we could get of nasty things like the minimum wage, we'd finally get rid of that poverty problem. Right. Finally, I'm also thinking of the poor not only in the US, but in other countries as well, of course.

Further discussion should be shunted to the Politics forum, where I will immediately commence ignoring it.