Is river fold correct or Wrong
Now that i look at it, not reraising on the turn is where i went wrong isnt' it?
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: CrackedoutCards is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CrackedoutCards raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CrackedoutCards caps</font>, MP3 calls, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls. Flop: (20.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CrackedoutCards bets</font>, MP3 folds, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls. Turn: (12.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CrackedoutCards bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, CrackedoutCards calls. River: (18.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, CrackedoutCards checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, CrackedoutCards folds, Button calls. Final Pot: 22.25 BB |
Re: Is river fold correct or Wrong
That's really bad.
It really looks like you are beaten by trip 4s. I don't think that button will reraise, since he was agressive the whole hand. I would make a crying call and see BB turning over AA and UTG+1 A4. BTW, if button really had an overpair, he played it quite well. He realized that he couldn't protect his hand on the flop (20SB pot) and waited for the turn to raise. |
Re: Is river fold correct or Wrong
Never fold an overpair on the river in a huge pot just because someone raises unexpectedly. I did that once with AA because of a similar raise, and I would won a 20 bet pot or something if I had been a man and called.
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Re: Is river fold correct or Wrong
The river sucks.
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls. Flop: (12.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls. Turn: (9.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls. River: (12.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls. Final Pot: 14.25 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> UTG+1 has 8d Ks (one pair, tens). MP2 has 7s 2s (two pair, tens and sevens). CO doesn't show. Outcome: MP2 wins 14.25 BB. </font> |
Re: Is river fold correct or Wrong
mabye I'm just spewing at the river, but I would have called the bet with an overpair, even with the deadly 4 at the end. For a 1 BB call for 21 BB while your holding an overpair, I wouldn't be able to let it go.
Not reraising the turn was prob bad, though I didn't see it the first time. I wouldn't put my opponent on AA though, he could just as easily had QQ, JJ, AKo, AKs. Depends if he was a tight player or not. Reads would have helped here To the other person who posted a hand in here...since I still am unsure of ediquite on this forum, I'm wondering if it's proper to hijack someone else's thread. |
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He's not hijacking. He's just teaching by example.
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Re: Is river fold correct or Wrong
You have to pay 2BB to just call and there is still someone acting behind you.
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Re: Is river fold correct or Wrong
The river fold is wrong.
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Re: Is river fold correct or Wrong
We really need reads to make a judgement call on the turn. If he's typical, we can assume maybe 99 (3 combos), TT (3 combos), and JJ (6 combos, but a strong redraw on the river). Since he'll probably cap with a better hand, I'd just call down even with the guy stuck in the middle. Of course, if he's donktacular I'd rather 3-bet.
I don't know why nobody likes the river fold; we just figured out we're behind button about half the time. So UTG+1 needs to be check-raising less than the made trips into the pf-capper and very aggressive pf-3bettor more than 1 time in about 6.5. This gets much worse if we add in that it might be 3-bet. I don't think we beat both villains often enough to call here. |
Re: Is river fold correct or Wrong
TURN: I think you could have reraised. I think Button most likely has JJ and just made an OESD to go with his overpair. I don't think he 3bet preflop with QJ so he didn't make a straight. It's possible he has TT or 99 for a set, but would he three bet those preflop? He could have AA of course. Next question: What is UTG+1 cold calling getting 6:1 odds with?
RIVER: Folding looks pretty safe, but getting 11:1 it might be worth a call. I'm more afraid of UTG+1 than the button at this point. |
Re: Is river fold correct or Wrong
Agreed, we're not good 1 in 10 times
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Re: Is river fold correct or Wrong
IMO anyone who says this river fold is clearly wrong is deluded.
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Re: Is river fold correct or Wrong
I recall reading i think in small stakes hold'em......that cold calling two bets like that with someone still to act is a bad play.....If anyone knows where this is coverd can you tell me where....I want to make sure i'm understanding the concept...thx
~~josh |
Re: Is river fold correct or Wrong
Nah. Reraising the turn has a high likelihood of being spewage. On the river you have to fold without a good read and take assiduous notes afterwards. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pair+flush draw on the flop that tripled up on the river.
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Re: Is river fold correct or Wrong
Looks like a pretty standard fold to me. Yes, KK is a good hand... but at the end of the day, it's just one pair. I'd need a hell of a read on the players involved to call two cold here.
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