Is this a bad river fold?
 

Well, from the responses to my stat post I've been trying to loosen up and stop folding winners, especially on the river. I just couldn't bring myself to call this one. No reads.
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (7 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (8 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, SB calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Re: Is this a bad river fold?
 

Yes, horrible fold. Even worse than bet/fold since you might have induced a bluff with your check. Terrible fold.

edit : just noticed the caller, which makes this a very bad fold instead of the worse fold ever :P

Re: Is this a bad river fold?
 

Yuck... Your the last to act with no one behind you so you know it can't be raised after you call. It's ONE bet and you have a set.

Re: Is this a bad river fold?
 

Horrible fold dude.

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I can't imagine anyone calling a bet on a 4 straight/3flush board with hand that doesn't beat me.

Re: Is this a bad river fold?
 

Terrible. Even if you are raised on the river, do you really think you will lose this more than 5 of 6 times?

Actually you should win about 40% of the time, bet it and call the raise.

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I like the check/call line to induce a bluff here.

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That was the gameplan, but the caller influenced me to fold.

Re: Is this a bad river fold?
 

Many hands can call here. QT, JT, QJ for instance. A flush or straight would have probably raised here too.

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I like the check/call line to induce a bluff here.

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Why? I guess I am saying that a card that finishes a bunch of draws does not seem like the optimal time to "induce a bluff". I would rather do it when my chance of calling and loseing is not increased.

Re: Is this a bad river fold?
 

At Party .5/1 [censored] happens.

Re: Is this a bad river fold?
 

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I just couldn't bring myself to call this one.

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I don't think the word "bad" does this fold justice. Next time you're in this situation, call somebody and get them to come over and bring you to where ever you need to be to finish this hand.

In the first place, you don't check this river. If you bet and the guy behind you raises, you 3-bet him and call his cap. If your set of jacks loses to a king-high straight, so be it, but you do not go lightly into that dark night, young man.

Having checked, when Button bets you raise his ass. SB is trapped, this is money! You go to the mat with a hand like this.

Re: Is this a bad river fold?
 

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I can't imagine anyone calling a bet on a 4 straight/3flush board with hand that doesn't beat me.

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QTs. AQ. T9. QJ. Need I go on?

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At Party .5/1 [censored] happens.

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Well, it certainly did, here.

Re: Is this a bad river fold?
 

Why would you want to induce a bluff if you're sure to win? Value bet then.

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If you bet and the guy behind you raises, you 3-bet him and call his cap

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This is terrible. Having your default line being value betting this scary ass board, re-raising when raised, and then calling when capped is just about the worst line possible that you can take here. I don't mind betting and calling a raise here. Folding this river would be terrible.

Re: Is this a bad river fold?
 

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Why would you want to induce a bluff if you're sure to win? Value bet then.

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I think a bet should be made here.

IM mind inducing a bluff should be saved for the times when you have an excellent read on the villain. You would need to know that:
a) Your hand is probably best
b) Villain would not call with a second best hand but may bet as a bluff(i.e. a thinking aggressive player). An approximate % villain would bluff would be helpfull as well.

Does this make sense? I am not sure why you would want to induce a bluff if your chances of a loss increase.

Re: Is this a bad river fold?
 

DMBFan23 says:

bet the river to avoid putting yourself in tough spots where people [censored] will overcall but you aren't willing to overcall. let them overcall your bet when you can EASILY fold to a raise

that said, I don't think you're throwing away NEARLY the whole pot here by folding.