Top 10 10/20 6maxers (LC)
 

I will start this post by saying many persons hate these posts. I don't care. I like these posts. If you don't give a f*** then please don't reply.

For the purposes of objectivity I will not incude 2+2ers I'm aware of. As of the 120kish hands I've played at 10/20 here are the Top 10 with 2 honorable mention...

- TexasMime
- bongineer
- luckyAi
- BrianCohen
- JoeyGall
- Molecul0
- yellowtwo
- bigavon
- pl_evictor
- lolomgbbq

Honorable mention:

-TonyTheSaint
-IIIDToXIII

Edit: forgot one in the Top 10: "fiesta8"
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just out of curiosity, do you avoid these people?

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either i have good table selection or they play odd times... i dont recognize half of those names.

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just out of curiosity, do you avoid these people?

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I don't avoid anyone really. I avoid sitting in certain spots against certain persons. I play at good tables and avoid bad ones.

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this guy has my number.

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I haven't played against him for awhile but LuckyAI really annoyed the hell out of me -- I remember him having really goofy stats but running really well.

Ditto BrownEyes. UGH.

I see Molecul0 all the time, just the fact that he's always around and is a winning player is enough that I'll generally choose to play on a different table. Don't recognize most of the other names, thankfully.

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Ditto BrownEyes. UGH.

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Yeah, his "numbers" look terrible, but he's one of those guys who is annoying as hell if you're out of position on him.

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i almost started a thread today about BrownEyes. I actually usually try to sit with him having position on me. I dont find him annoying at all.

He:
-openlimps too much
-coldcalls too much
-plays too passively in generally
-never raises when he doesnt have it

I just dont understand how he is still around. He *might* be breakeven but i dont see how he can hang in the 10/20.

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i almost started a thread today about BrownEyes. I actually usually try to sit with him having position on me. I dont find him annoying at all.

He:
-openlimps too much
-coldcalls too much
-plays too passively in generally
-never raises when he doesnt have it

I just dont understand how he is still around. He *might* be breakeven but i dont see how he can hang in the 10/20.

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Your reads are spot-on. He must just be on a monster rush, or just make loads of money from people thinking he's bluffing when he raises.

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luckyAi is crappy/mediocre, I have like 30k hands on bongineer and he looks solid but I've never actually sat before. bigavon is weak-tight and doesn't adjust well. he also overplays his hands against me preflop then underplays them postflop. he has good table selection like me so we play together a lot and he just gives me way too many free cards. I love peeling against him because headsup when he 3-bets me I always know where he's at. also, I played a session with him against a maniac, and he tightened up a lot and basically was just a huge vag.

I don't know if you've actually played with IIIDToXIII but he sucks. he may have pretty looking preflop stats but postflop UGH he's bad

molecul0 and lolomgbbq are both very, very good.

also having datamined so much, I've noticed that a lot of players just don't play that much, even some who are really good. most of those guys I have 10k-30k hands on, so I get the feeling that you aren't seeing much.

and while I understand you're being objective, there are 3 (4 if I include you) 2+2ers whos screennames I know who should be at the top of that lost.

I'd put DriedSeaweed up there too, but maybe he's a 2p2er whose name you know, so you didn't include him. too bad he bitches so much, and I've noticed him tilting twice

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huh browneyes is one of my buddies. If he has position on you I guess he can be annoying if your not hitting, but he is one of the more predictable lags and when you are hitting or have position on him is very exploitable.

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huh browneyes is one of my buddies. If he has position on you I guess he can be annoying if your not hitting, but he is one of the more predictable lags and when you are hitting or have position on him is very exploitable.

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he's not a LAG at all. he's actually pretty much average in every way

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I'd put DriedSeaweed up there too, but maybe he's a 2p2er whose name you know, so you didn't include him. too bad he bitches so much, and I've noticed him tilting twice

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I've noticed him a ton recently, must be a 2+2'er that either just moved up from 5/10, or (more likely) switched names. I don't know who he is, but I vaguely recall him being a 30/20 player, and I avoid that particular breed of nutcase when I can. I prefer to be the only 30/20 nutcase at the table, thank you very much.

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I'd put DriedSeaweed up there too, but maybe he's a 2p2er whose name you know, so you didn't include him. too bad he bitches so much, and I've noticed him tilting twice

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I've noticed him a ton recently, must be a 2+2'er that either just moved up from 5/10, or (more likely) switched names. I don't know who he is, but I vaguely recall him being a 30/20 player, and I avoid that particular breed of nutcase when I can. I prefer to be the only 30/20 nutcase at the table, thank you very much.

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he's actually tighter. 24/17ish

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I'd put DriedSeaweed up there too, but maybe he's a 2p2er whose name you know, so you didn't include him. too bad he bitches so much, and I've noticed him tilting twice

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He's a 2+2er.



I also have 4K hands on lolomgbbq and he's -4BB/100 over thoes hands.

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I'm not on there [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]


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I would add Kalastaja8 to that list. He is the only player I try to avoid in the 1020 games simply because he is good at getting tricky at the right spots. His pre- and post- game is also good imo.

Browneyes is possibly the player I have played the most against, and he is absolutely horrible imo. The reads posted above here seem dead on.

Other good players I agree with mentioned here are luckyAi, Molecul0 and bongineer, who I all have noted.

Two interesting players imo are incog66 and LuckyMfcker. They both play similarily maniacish with loads of misplaced aggression, and i have both of the down as losers after 1k+ hands vs them, but they still hang around both the 15\30 and 10\20 6-m tables. Anyone have any comments on these two?

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You really think it matters much whether you have 5K or 30K hands on someone ? or do you mine that much to get the people who only play once in a while ?

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Kalastaja8 is fairly mediocre IMO. I always welcome his presence at my table

Bongineer is ok. He used to always be at my table. Now, I never see him. Maybe it's the fact that I've laid the wood to his arse

LuckyAi had my number when we played - which wasn't too often

Dried Seaweed - somewhat solid, punky, tilts often, exploitable

Molecul0- played with him some, seems like a solid TAG - he didn't really make any plays that I thought warrant the priase he receives here- but I've haven't played too much with him.

Brown Eyes - fish eyes

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You really think it matters much whether you have 5K or 30K hands on someone ? or do you mine that much to get the people who only play once in a while ?

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the point is there are a lot of guys that don't play that much who are good, and it's likely he hasn't played with them. he's played 120k hands, which is a lot for most things, but he's only seen a very small piece of the overall player pool.

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I was wondering why you bother to keep mining as much as it seems like you do if you have 30K hands on someone as at some point the extra hands must stop adding much info and will probably slow your db, not whether he has the right 10 players or not.

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Bongineer is ok. He used to always be at my table. Now, I never see him. Maybe it's the fact that I've laid the wood to his arse


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Bongineer is one of the better players in this game. He changed his name, and also plays higher now most of the time. "laid the wood to his arse"? Doubtful.

-Mike

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I was wondering why you bother to keep mining as much as it seems like you do if you have 30K hands on someone as at some point the extra hands must stop adding much info and will probably slow your db, not whether he has the right 10 players or not.

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sorry, I don't like reading so I tend to stop reading peoples' posts when I think I know what they're saying. ADD sorry.

I'm not mining the same people over and over. there are constnatly new people coming in. I've started mining 20/40 and 15/30 lately and there's a noticeable increase in players that sit down who I have no reads on. a lot of the guys you want at your table are the types that put in a few hundred or thousand, play a lot for a week, and lose it.

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To continue with this offtopic tangent, how big is ur dbase Sthief, and what kind of performance do you get? Also comp specs if you could...thanks,

-Mike

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To continue with this offtopic tangent, how big is ur dbase Sthief, and what kind of performance do you get? Also comp specs if you could...thanks,

-Mike

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I use my database, which is 110k, I use my two 10/20 6m databases, which are 700k hands each (2 GB), two 5/10 dbs which are half that, and it works fine for up to 6 tables. at 8 it starts crapping out. it also started crapping out cause of all the porn and music and whatnot a few months ago so I reformatted and it's been good since.


it's a P4 3.4 GHz, 1 GB RAM, 7200 RPM HDD. I got it back in January. it's a dimension 4700

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I wonder if all the people on here changed their names and locations what these posts would end up like.

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I wonder if all the people on here changed their names and locations what these posts would end up like.

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I don't get it...

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I wonder if all the people on here changed their names and locations what these posts would end up like.

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as in no one knew if anyone else was 2+2 or not


I don't get it...

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I have it on good authority that Brown Eyes wins lots in this game [and has for many many months] though I personally have no opinion worth speaking on his actual play.

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Two interesting players imo are incog66 and LuckyMfcker.

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incog66 is one of the most fascinating players I have ever seen. The only player on Party I would ever say has shown signs of absolute poker brilliance, but in the same breath I have seen him drop $1800 in 10 minutes at 15/30 6-max.

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I have it on good authority that Brown Eyes wins lots in this game [and has for many many months] though I personally have no opinion worth speaking on his actual play.

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My opinion is that BrownEyes is essentially the DERB of 10/20 short. The guy has countless leaks but none of them are big enough to turn him into a losing player I guess. Plus when he runs good he runs GOOD. I mean he can't miss his retarded coldcalls and he'll always drag big pots with set over set, two pair over two pair, flush over straight etc. etc. He once told me back around January that he is making 20K per month (more likely in mind is that he made 20K one single month... he was RED hot back then).

A representative BrownEyes hand: I raise AJ, all fold to BrownEyes who calls in Big Blind. Flop is A94 rainbow. Check, I bet, he calls. Turn 2, he checks I bet he calls. River 3, he bets I call. He tables 23 off. I happened to be running bad at the time and with this hand capping off my bad run it was particularly memorable.

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Two interesting players imo are incog66 and LuckyMfcker.

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incog66 is one of the most fascinating players I have ever seen. The only player on Party I would ever say has shown signs of absolute poker brilliance, but in the same breath I have seen him drop $1800 in 10 minutes at 15/30 6-max.

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Yes exactly.. He is insanely aggressive at some times when he should not be, but I have seen him make some amazing plays. At first eyesight I marked him as a huge maniac\fish, and that resulted in me playing a load vs him on the 15\30sh tables. Now i'm more facinated by his style of play. I think he makes most of his winnings from people tilting on his seemingly maniac plays. He also seems to have a great abilitly to sense when people are tilting on him, and when they are not. I have him down with a substantial -bb\100, so i have a hard time seeing that he is a winning player on the 15\30sh tables, but i can indeed imagine it being the case.

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sweet, im on there.

the only others i recognize are bigavon and molecul0. avon is good but could utilize a lil trickery.

molecul0 seems solid too.

my question is how did you decide the top 10. is it from pt stats or your opinion of play?

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I have incog66 as a 56/35 player over 20K hands...winning 3.18 BB/100

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I have incog66 as a 56/35 player over 20K hands...winning 3.18 BB/100

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That's just sick. What's his SD?

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my question is how did you decide the top 10. is it from pt stats or your opinion of play?

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First of all, to Johnny Boom Boom, I know your screenname so regardless of what I think of you, you wouldn't be on the list. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

This Top 10 is strictly from observation (opinions of their play). It has nothing to do with PT stats.

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42.22% WSD, 49.99% W$@SD

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42.22% WSD, 49.99% W$@SD

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So he plays more hands, goes to showdown with them as much or more than I do, and wins half the time? Bwah??? It isn't as though at 10/20 he's bluffing people's pants off.

And while that's interesting, I was actually asking what his Standard Deviation was [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

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hey sorry to sound ignorant, the case is though i am unknowledgeable about the terminology "datamined". are you referring to poker tracker? sorry for the "what may be a stupid question" syndrome. I rarely post, saving the obvious of looking stupid. I currently play 3-6 full, 6-tabling and ass rape the game for 2.7 BB/100. I was planning to move to 5-10 6 max but whats your take on the effect of 3-6 6-max? which game is better: 5-10 6max or the 10-20?

just some thoughts, since im sticking my butt out here to get chewed off, might as well do it with class, lol.

-D-