7 card stud for dummies
 

Is Sklanskys 7-card stud for Advanced players to advanced for someone who has never played stud before? What would you recommend?

I have read TOP. I need something a little more stud specific.

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I'm not too sure, as I'm not a Stud player. But try running a search in the Books or Stud Forums. They'll have some insight.

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you will not regret for one minute purchasing 7csfap, it is THE definitive stud book, and oif you have a coherant understanding of TOP, it won't be over your head.

Of course, like anything else, there is no substitute for goor experience- some of the concepts in the book will not make sense until you have played several thousands of hands of stud. Don't let that stop you, however, the book will help a lot.

If you own the original "supersystem" the stud section in it by Chip Rese is also exceptional, though it is geared towards tight aggressive games, which you likely will not find at low limits.

The other stud books out there are not very good, IMO. (I play a shite-ton of stud, so trust me on this)

GL- stud is called "the game of the masters" for a reason, it's by far the most skillful and complicated form of poker (except for stud hi/lo, of course! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

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you will not regret for one minute purchasing 7csfap, it is THE definitive stud book, and oif you have a coherant understanding of TOP, it won't be over your head.

Of course, like anything else, there is no substitute for goor experience- some of the concepts in the book will not make sense until you have played several thousands of hands of stud. Don't let that stop you, however, the book will help a lot.

If you own the original "supersystem" the stud section in it by Chip Rese is also exceptional, though it is geared towards tight aggressive games, which you likely will not find at low limits.

The other stud books out there are not very good, IMO. (I play a shite-ton of stud, so trust me on this)

GL- stud is called "the game of the masters" for a reason, it's by far the most skillful and complicated form of poker (except for stud hi/lo, of course! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

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Wow, thanks. I will definately pick it up.

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Hollywood,

The 2+2 stud book is one of the best poker books ever written. I've read it like 6 times and still pick up things whenever I reread...it is really intense. But there is a caveat...if you're a beginner to stud, it may not be the book for you yet. The book is designed for mid limit (15-30 and higher) play where larger antes SIGNIFICANTLY impact play on 3rd and beyond. If you are playing something like 1-5 or 5-10 (I'm just guessing bc this is in the beginner's forum), much of the advice in the book won't apply to you b/c of the smaller proportional ante. You may want to read Roy West's book first, then get the more advanced text (caveat: I've never read the West book, but have heard it praised as a good text for stud beginners).

Jeff

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you will not regret for one minute purchasing 7csfap, it is THE definitive stud book, and oif you have a coherant understanding of TOP, it won't be over your head.

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It's a good book, but like all the "For Advanced Players" it's not very applicable to the low-limit games where you should start in gaining experience. (I know it has the obligatory "loose games" section, but that's not much material.) Roy West's book (I forget the title) is good -- but even then I've found I needed some adaptations for the overanted, super-loose Foxwoods $1-3 games. (E.g., a queen limping against an ace doesn't mean a pair of queens; it means the queen is paying a dollar in hopese of hitting lucky cards!)

The Sklansky book won't hurt you or anything -- just, as always, observe the people you're playing against before blindly putting some suggestion into practice.

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You may want to read Roy West's book first, then get the more advanced text (caveat: I've never read the West book, but have heard it praised as a good text for stud beginners).


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I agree with this. These are the books I mention in the Beginner's FAQ :

<ul type="square">[*]Roy West: 7 Card Stud.[*]George Epstein &amp; Dr. Danial Abrams: The Greatest Book of Poker for Winners. I haven't read this one, but Mason Malmuth gives it a good review.[*]Ray Zee, David Sklansky, Mason Malmuth: 7 Card Stud for Advanced Players. It's advanced, but it's an excellent book on the game.[/list]
West's book is very basic but it's a decent intro. I have to find that Epstein book.

Stud is a fun game, I love to play it when I can find a decent game at a limit that isn't 1-5.

Regards,

T

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Hollywood,

The 2+2 stud book is one of the best poker books ever written. I've read it like 6 times and still pick up things whenever I reread...it is really intense. But there is a caveat...if you're a beginner to stud, it may not be the book for you yet. The book is designed for mid limit (15-30 and higher) play where larger antes SIGNIFICANTLY impact play on 3rd and beyond. If you are playing something like 1-5 or 5-10 (I'm just guessing bc this is in the beginner's forum), much of the advice in the book won't apply to you b/c of the smaller proportional ante. You may want to read Roy West's book first, then get the more advanced text (caveat: I've never read the West book, but have heard it praised as a good text for stud beginners).

Jeff

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Yup, I'm starting at rock bottom. I've played just messing around, but I have no idea WTF I'm doing.

I plan on playing .5/1 on PP or Pokerroom. I have a solid BR for that level.

I'll pick up the Sklansky Stud book, maybe a few others. That should get stud on my mind, I can adjust my play from there for the smaller limit rooms. How does that sound?

I'm also assuming there are less "fish" players as opposed to Holdem.

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I typically play middle limit hold em on PR, but I have played the stud in the past. The games are pillow soft on PR and I highly recommend them (this is all the way up to 4-8 on there). Plus I like the site and they pay promptly.

Jeff

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I typically play middle limit hold em on PR, but I have played the stud in the past. The games are pillow soft on PR and I highly recommend them (this is all the way up to 4-8 on there). Plus I like the site and they pay promptly.

Jeff

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Sorry, to keep bothering you but, how does the 1/2 limit HE at PR compare to 1/2 limit HE at Party?

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I've only played the 4-8 recently (when I was drunk or just needed a hold em break) so I can't really say. My gut feeling, however, is that the games on PR will be better than the Party games. Stud is new there, there are fewer players, very few grinders. But as for practical experience at the 1-2, I can't tell you for sure.

Jeff

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the West book is solid, but it's a pretty short and dull read. worth getting if you can find it lower than the $24.95 list price (only 150 pages). cardplayer.com had them for $10 at one point but I think they're sold out, though there are some second hand copies on amazon in that price range.

the chip reese chapter in SS1 as someone already mentioned.

a book not often mentioned is Fred Renzey "Get The Edge At Casino Poker" which covers Stud, Stud8, HE and O8 reasonably well for beginners. for $10-15 it's a good value IMO.

"Winning 7-Card Stud" by ashley adams hasn't been univerally recommended on this board, but not noticibly criticized either. there's also a beginner book by Paul Kammen which I have neither read nor heard reviews on yet.

and if you happen to find a copy of the Hellmuth book at a garage sale for $1, the stud chapter in there is a lot more sound strategy than the Hold Em section (which of course isn't saying much).

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My 7/stud experience is limited to home play and some very occasional forays into low-limit cardroom games. I read both Roy West and Ashley Adams's books and they were quite helpful in laying out a basic strategy for loose, low-limit action. I've just started reading the 2+2 book. It seems to describe a more aggressive (and sometimes more deceptive) game.

These strategies may not be that applicable against players who are just paying to chase down cards and not thinking about what they (or you) are doing. That said, the concepts introduced will definitely make you think about the way you play stud and hopefully lead to some improvements.

I'd definitely recommend 7CSFAP and would suggest picking up either West or Adams's books.