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i read the books play the game 12 hours a day study study study. but when i take my hundred or two hundred to the casino i always loose it. always to bad beats.i dont think its the way iam playing i think its 5 people are always staying to the river. today was the the worst. 4 bad beats in a row. river after river 4 in a row.it sent me home talking to myself. my says i should quit cuz i never come home a winner.i know i can beat theses guys but how. mabe a couple hundred in a 2-4 game is not enough? i sat today for 7 hours on my hundred and never was up. what should i do? and dont give me the i should quit crap.i really have a passion for this game. there i venten..thanks.....Jimmy [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I think you should quit bitching and realize that everyone loses at one point in time. Your swings are going to be high playing this type of game but trust me, this is the game you want to be in. You don't want to be in a game where you can get outplayed in.

Also, you need at minimum $1000 as a bankroll to play in this game.

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with my $1000 you said i need whats the cut off point? do i stop when i loose 100? 200? 300? 800? when do i know were to stop if iam loosing? bitching? mabe a little but more confused. thanks...Jimmy

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We all have sessions like this. Sometimes we have several such sessions in a row. The more you play poker the more you come to realize this. It's frustrating as hell, but that is the game. In the long run you will win money if you play better than yr opponents (or best them enough to stay ahead of the rake).

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Not to withstand normal variance, no. You need to bone up on bankroll management.

Not to try to analyze you, but (here goes anyway) you came across as a guy that wants to learn about poker, but just isn't there yet. Chances are you are not that good at poker yet. That is okay -- no one is born good at poker. Poker is a lot like other aspects of life: you learn by screwing up.

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good book on bankroll management? i know i can win. i play like a rock when i am suposed to. i play loose in a tight game. i do everything right ( so i think) mabe it is the bank roll thing. or should i move up to 10 -20? or 5-10? thanks for the input..Jimmy

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Well there's one HUGE mistake youre making. Playing like a rock aint so good either.

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Yeah at 10/20 people stop sucking out on you.

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not tight. just a figure of speech. i play the way the books say to play. and yes if iam in a loose calling station game i will play tighter,or vicea verca.

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why does it always seem that newbies who suck and complain about bad beats losing to others who chase all way with garbage hands suchas any ace and little pairs also have poor spelling and bad punkuation and dont seem to have a shift key that works?

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if iam in a loose calling station game i will play tighter,or vicea verca.

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this is the complete opposite of what you want to do. you need to loosen up in a loose game and tighten up in a tight game. i really don't think you are a winning player.

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At a live 2/4 game the rake may very well be unbeatable.

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i know i can win. i play like a rock when i am suposed to. i play loose in a tight game. i do everything right ( so i think)...

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Okay Jimmy, I am really trying to help when I say this. You need to sit down and be prepared to accept this. Ready?

You suck at poker.

I will repeat: you suck at poker.

It's okay. This does not make you dumb, or a bad person, or a terrorist. But you are demonstrating a COMPLETE lack of something essential to being a good poker play: willingness to listen and take criticism.

I was in a similar position as you once. I didn't understand why I was losing, and I was posting here about it. Then someone (forgot who) told me 1) I sucked at poker, and 2) I needed to accept that before I got better.

I DID suck at poker, but I thought I was good. But sometimes you have to eat it like a good little bitch. So I did. I played more, studied more, and got better. I'm not world class by any means, but I suck considerably less.

Now Jimmy, you have a couple of choices at this point. You can either accept the fact that you are not very good, and use that as motivation to improve, or you can keep losing money. It's yr choice. You are in the right place to get better. But if you refuse to listen and think you are a master of the game, I really have nothing more to add -- except to ask when/where I can get in a game with you.

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im to lazy to read all of the responses so i might be a little repetitive...fist of all dont complain about bad beats, if you have spent as much time reading and studying as you say you should know where the money in poker comes from. (other peoples mistakes) as a side note and probably more importantly the rake at the 2/4 game is probably very tough to beat you should try to play online until you can play a bit higher.

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Yeah at 10/20 people stop sucking out on you.

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Wrong.

My favorite hand from the 10-20 last night at MCC.

Playing 5 handed. This guy just sat down two hands ago. 3am.

I have 99 on the button. UTG calls, 1 fold, I raise, SB folds, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, I cap. (cap was read specific) BB was very laggy. anyhoo


Flop KQ4 BB checks, UTG checks, I bet, BB folds, UTG calls

Turn 8

UTG checks, I bet, UTG calls.

River J

Final board of KQJ84

UTG checks, I check

UTG has J5o No flush draw. NH [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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At a live 2/4 game the rake may very well be unbeatable.

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Plus tip, and it certainly may be very difficult to beat.



Adam

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Hey chesspain. why is there always some little puke worring about the way others spell? i cant spell so what!!!! does that make me a bad person? if i have to write something the "correct" way i just have my wife do it. so what. its little morons like you who think they know it all. oh well and i love to take advice thank you for saying i suck. that makes me feel real good.lol i am going to try a higher limit game and see what happens. in the mean while i will take your advice and keep reading and practicing...thanks a million for all the good advice you guys. great forum.......Jimmy

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i am going to try a higher limit game and see what happens.

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Please post when and where and some of us will join you.

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Hey chesspain. why is there always some little puke worring about the way others spell? i cant spell so what!!!! does that make me a bad person? if i have to write something the "correct" way i just have my wife do it. so what. its little morons like you who think they know it all. oh well and i love to take advice thank you for saying i suck. that makes me feel real good.lol i am going to try a higher limit game and see what happens. in the mean while i will take your advice and keep reading and practicing...thanks a million for all the good advice you guys. great forum.......Jimmy

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If this is really your attitude you are headed down a bad path man. One that's gonna lead to your gambling losses snowballing. I'm guessing your wife already doesn't like the fact that you spend all this time at the casino and never come home a winner. She's may even be starting to question if you have a gambling problem. This isn't the time to get pissed, and just keep pushing.

I know you don't wanna hear it, but just from things you've said so far it is clear you don't understand poker enough to be a winning player right now, but you seem to enjoy and seem to wanna get better which is good.

So if you can put your ego aside for a minute and admit this to yourself then you're ready to learn. My advice to you would be to start playing online at the micro limits. You can learn a lot from these games without putting much stress on your income. Read Homer's post in the internet forum titled "building a bankroll for newbies", follow a lot of the advice in there to help you build up a bankroll. Read all the posts you can in the micro-limit and small stakes forum, and ask educated questions about aspects of your game. Post hands for discussion and attempt to discuss others hands.

Finally you say you've read books. A lot of players have read books, and a lot of players either 1. don't comprehend to the level that they can fully apply what they're reading or 2. are reading the wrong books. There's plenty of books out there that are completely worthless, don't trust everything you read.

Hope that helped.

P.S. the one thing you absolutely should not do right now is attempt to go play a higher limit.

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why does it always seem that newbies who suck and complain about bad beats losing to others who chase all way with garbage hands suchas any ace and little pairs also have poor spelling and bad punkuation and dont seem to have a shift key that works?

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brilliant!!!

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The Rake, Jackpot, and dealer toke may make this 2-4 unbeatable, you'd be better off playing online.

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why does it always seem that newbies who suck and complain about bad beats losing to others who chase all way with garbage hands suchas any ace and little pairs also have poor spelling and bad punkuation and dont seem to have a shift key that works?

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brilliant111

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FYP

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Well, every game i have played in 2-4 live, the players are worse than .5-1 online. However, i have lost on 3 out of 4 trips i have made to AC. I normally play at least 20 hours each weekend i go. So, after 80 hours of live play, i am down about $200. However, there is no way in hell that i am a losing player in these games. The problem is that i have only played about 2k hands. It sucks. Variance is a bitch. Have you played any online poker? Are you a winning player after 20k hands or more?

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The last 3 times I've played 2/4 live, I left down (one of those times I was down $1 after an 8 hr session. Players were completely aweful, and game was so loose....like 8 to a flop. The problem is in one night of live poker, your only going to get so many hands against these players (compared to online, where I mostly play.) If I could play in this same game, against the same players, every week, I'd be up in the long run. In short, your sample size is too small.

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thats the thing. you dont play the same players. yes i will win in the long run if i play the same people.but people are always coming in and out all the time in a 2-4 game. and i have played on line and its very hard to beat. i like to look at the players iam playing. if i cant see who iam playing then poker becomes all luck right? today iam moving up to the 5-10 and i will see if its any better.i will let you all know how i did.

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i play like a rock when i am suposed to. i play loose in a tight game.

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That's att wrong in a low stakes game. Read SSHE.

Good luck,
Matt

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You'll get crushed.

Good luck,
Matt

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A couple of important points.

1. The B&M 2/4 is widely considered to be unbeatable. The rake is generally $4/hand plus $1 jackpot, plus $1 toke. That's $6/hand x 30 hands per hour. This adds up to 45BB/hour off the table. If 10 sit at the table, your contribution is 4.5BB/hour. This is almost impossible to overcome. I seriously doubt there are any long term winners at 2/4 B&M play.

2. Your post demonstrates several errors in thinking that suggest you would not be a winning player in that game, even if it were not raked. The harsh reality of the situation is that you appear to suck at poker. Study the game more. Look for your errors and listen to the players here. 2+2 has the largest collection of winning players anywhere. If they tell you that you suck, you suck. It is harsh to hear, but facts is facts.

3. Finally, your "passion" for poker may represent a gambling problem. Go to the GA website and take their quiz. You may be fine, but it's worth ruling out Pathological Gambling as an issue for you.

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I'm pretty sure this is a joke account.

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I'm pretty sure this is a joke account.

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Why would you say this?

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i would like to know also.

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I'm pretty sure this is a joke account.

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Why would you say this?

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because only he's allowed to bitch about losing.

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You read Helmuths Play like the pros, Didn't you?