has anyone else lost respect for sklansky lately?
 

between his "scared kid on the playground" handling of the negreanu challenge and his half-hearted stabs at anyone of faith, i cant say i still look forward to reading his posts.

his supposed intellectual superiority seems to be wearing thin lately, bolstered by his hesitance to put his money where his mouth is (concerning negreanu).


and then his stabs at middle america, with his subtle and implied insults towards anyone who does not doubt the existence of God or the divinity of Jesus or whatever else he may not wholeheartedly suscribe to.

i think david as of late can be summed up in one recent quote- "logic supersedes God". between the accompanying arrogance and utter "are you serious?"ness of it all, that has easily become my favorite 2+2 quote of all time.

in all honesty i laughed for 3 or 4 minutes when i read that the first time. this isnt all a shot at david, being that i dont think hell read this post seeing the title. but i am curious if im the only one getting this impression.

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no - how could you lose respect for a guy for speaking his mind?

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i think david as of late can be summed up in one recent quote- "logic supersedes God". between the accompanying arrogance and utter "are you serious?"ness of it all, that has easily become my favorite 2+2 quote of all time.

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I haven't been following this stuff very closely, but if he said "logic supercedes God," then he has gained my respect, rather than lost it.

Regarding Negreanu, I think Sklansky comes across as more intelligent by not playing him. If he played and lost, that would damage his reputation greatly in the eyes of many, who would overlook variance and other considerations.

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No. He has his preoccupations and I have mine.

Grits can be tasty, though.

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Sklansky is best read through his books. His posts online are retarded.

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no - how could you lose respect for a guy for speaking his mind?

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Maybe you think the stuff he says is stupid?

Do you have respect for David Duke?

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How could I ever lose faith in the author of my "Bible": Theory of Poker?

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Grits can be tasty, though.

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I like mine salty (butter, bacon, cheese). Mmmmm, grits.

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No, none.

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Sklansky is best read through his books. His posts online are retarded.

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I do appreciate David for his help with my poker game. This latest book SSHE is a work of art IMO. He has been very open with us on his views and there is no doubt in my mind that he is very intelligent. I hope to meet with him next week for personal tutoring for an hour or two before the ME of the WSOP. Having said all that, I do think that he is a proud guy and he does have an ego...But all in all he is an asset to the poker community and his positives outweigh his faults.

Indiana

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I think people should drop this crap. Noone cares what you think of David, and it's fairly obvious that everytime one of these posts come up, it's quickly turned into a moron-fest.

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no - how could you lose respect for a guy for speaking his mind?

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Maybe you think the stuff he says is stupid?

Do you have respect for David Duke?

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quite the stretch there sponger - there's a large difference between thinking something's stupid and being offended by something.

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What, exactly, is wrong with a moron-fest? Where else are morons supposed to hang out and have some fun? What, you want them roaming the streets? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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i think david as of late can be summed up in one recent quote- "logic supersedes God". between the accompanying arrogance and utter "are you serious?"ness of it all, that has easily become my favorite 2+2 quote of all time. in all honesty i laughed for 3 or 4 minutes when i read that the first time.

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So you lose respect for David because he seems to doubt the divinity of Jesus and isn't as convinced as you are about the existence of a God. Then you go on to call him arrogant and laugh at him. Why is that? Are you mocking him for...his religiouis beliefs?

Is this not the same thing you site as the reason that you've lost respect for him? Don't worry, I'm sure that someone who finds valuing logic over invisible men in the sky to be laughable fails to see the irony in that anyway.

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Sklansky is best read through his books. His non-poker posts online are retarded.

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and then his stabs at middle america, with his subtle and implied insults towards anyone who does not doubt the existence of God or the divinity of Jesus

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all of this is highly stab worthy

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there's a large difference between thinking something's stupid and being offended by something.

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You don't find condescension, arrogance, and superciliousness stupid AND offensive?

Hm.

In any event, "Logic supercedes God" is an inane comment, and so obviously disputable as to seem like nothing more than overt provocation.

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handling of the negreanu challenge and his half-hearted stabs at anyone of faith

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:yawn:

You're a joke.

But this is the WPT forum, so I'm not surprised. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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No.

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So if I proclaimed that I hate black people, you would still respect me? If I said Hitler was the greatest man ever to live, no loss of respect?

Interesting distinction you are making there...

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So if I proclaimed that I hate black people, you would still respect me? If I said Hitler was the greatest man ever to live, no loss of respect?

Interesting distinction you are making there...

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As long as you back it up respectfully in coherent manner and not act on your actions Id respect you

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I haven't read many of his posts on religion because those threads just don't interest me that much.

However....

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and then his stabs at middle america, with his subtle and implied insults towards anyone who does not doubt the existence of God or the divinity of Jesus or whatever else he may not wholeheartedly suscribe to.

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unless he has stated specifically that he is taking a stab at middle-america (and you said it was 'subtle' and 'implied' so I'm assuming he didn't) I fail to see how doubting God's existence is more insulting to those who do not live on either coast.

Obviously there are more 'red' states here in the middle and there is certainly quite a bit of Christianity practiced in this region of the country.
But if a Christian in middle-America were to be offended by his views then why wouldn't a Christian in NY or LA or Philly or Seattle be equally offended?

(to clarify, I have found nothing offensive about David's willingness to speak his mind regarding his opinion of religion or Christianity...but, again, I haven't read much of it).


I was born (Wisconsin), raised (Cincinnati area) and currently reside (Memphis) in this 'middle-america' region and I fail to see how his comments is taking a stab at this area of the country.


If David were to say, "Hey Bob. I've been to Memphis...and it kind of BLOWS!" then that would be 'taking a stab' (although I would also happen to agree with him!!)


I am an athiest FWIW (although I was raised by a 'regular' Christian church-going family).

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The reasons for Sklansky's refusal to play Negreanu has been explained several times - try to understand, it is just like Hellmuth trying to explain why he will toss a 60 or even 70% favorite early in a tournament: There is no reason not to get the best odds possible; why take what might at best be a coin-flip, for a large portion of your stack (or bankroll) when you know a better oportunity will come up?

Lets say you have worked your way to $15/$30 online games and make $100 per hour. You have a total bankroll of $10,050 (and would have to start over at .50/$1 with $50 if you lose) and I offer to flip a coin for it: heads you win $10,500 and tails you lose the whole $10,000. Do you accept the challenge?

IMHO you would be foolish to do so, as the time it would take to regain a substantial BR if you lose (by starting at .50/$1) would negate the advantages of winning - meaning you could just keep playing at $15/$30 as you are currently playing and make $100 an hour multi-tabling, and have an almost guaranteed win of $10,000 in 100 hours. JMHO

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The more I read this forum, the more I think Sklansky fears Daniel Negreanu!

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this isnt all a shot at david

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clarifications.........

1. when i say "middle america" its a broadstroke term for your average american Christian

2. i never said i was religious, Christian, or anything for that matter, and its not important in the discussion

3. i dont have a problem with davids spiritual beliefs, but the arrogance that comes through in his posts regarding his and others beliefs

4. poker-wise, david is awesome. that goes without saying. hes the best gaming theorist, period. that also doesnt have much to do with my post

5. whenever i read any of his posts regarding anything life-related, he often makes me sick. not because what he says necessarily offends me personally, it may have absolutely nothing to do with me, but often because it offends my sense of respect for other people. his posts regarding spirituality have strong feeling to them that he views spiritual people as simpletons. and that degree of arrogance is certainly not respectable

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his posts regarding spirituality have strong feeling to them that he views spiritual people as simpletons.

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David does not view spiritual people as simpletons at all! Unfortunately, spiritual people are just too stupid to understand this.