Chip spewing or good aggressive play?
 

Villian in this hand is lag(33/30/4). He had been raising pf with some regularity and than buying the pots, so I decided to put him to the test. What do you think?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) converter

Hero ($151.20)
MP3 ($46.50)
CO ($32.10)
Button ($50.35)
SB ($18.75)
BB ($23.60)
UTG ($30.60)
UTG+1 ($28.05)
MP1 ($46.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $2</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($10.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $6.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $42.5</font>, MP3 calls $36 (All-In).

River: ($95.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $95.50

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Jd Ad (one pair, sevens).
MP3 has 8d 9d (two pair, eights and sevens).
Outcome: MP3 wins $95.50. </font>

Re: Chip spewing or good aggressive play?
 

A) I don't like open-limping AJs in MP, raise or fold.

B) Either check/fold the flop or raise pre-flop and bet the flop.

C) Stop spewing chips. Granted, he's been betting weak, but that can easily mean monster. Also, if you're going to try to make plays like this, try to make them in position, rather than out of it.

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Chip spewing. This small stakes, this play is -EV because you will be called by many things.

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A) I don't like open-limping AJs in MP, raise or fold.


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Most of the time I agree with this. However at this table a raise from me would have resulted in taking down the blinds. If I call and let him raise I get more money in the pot.

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B) Either check/fold the flop or raise pre-flop and bet the flop.


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I can't see check/folding to a guy who's raising every other hand and betting $2 at every flop. I thought about check/raising the flop but decided to keep the pot small and try to bluff on a scary turn. Instead I picked up a few outs and tried to do the same thing.

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C) Stop spewing chips. Granted, he's been betting weak, but that can easily mean monster. Also, if you're going to try to make plays like this, try to make them in position, rather than out of it.

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Actually he was the type to slowplay his monsters and bet with nothing. I agree plays like this work better with position.

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I really don't see too many hands that can call me here, he happened to have one of them this time.

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Most of the time I agree with this. However at this table a raise from me would have resulted in taking down the blinds. If I call and let him raise I get more money in the pot.

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Is AJs really that strong of a hand?

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I can't see check/folding to a guy who's raising every other hand and betting $2 at every flop. I thought about check/raising the flop but decided to keep the pot small and try to bluff on a scary turn. Instead I picked up a few outs and tried to do the same thing.

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Next time you see this guy, sit on his left. Still, I think that c/ring the flop is your best option.

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chip-spewing esp as you hadn't taken the lead for the rest of the hand so it lookes like the desperation bluff that it was - with those 2 flush draws out there on the turn if you had really had a hand you would have re-raised big there - he correctly puts you on a draw that missed and now a bluff.

If you flat call a maniac pre-flop with AJs you are looking to make your money when you hit the flop and he bets into you all the way with A-junk or 2nd pair or sthg..you are looking to trap him

If you had re-raised him pre-flop that might have been enough to convince him you had an overpair. Here you just chucked in all your chips at the end with no set-up and no read that he was the type of LAG who was likely to lay it down.

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I was shocked, SHOCKED the first time I looked at my poker tracker stats and found out that AQo was my biggest loser. No hand is ever made, even AA, so they all must be played carefully.

In this situation, I think you let your ego get ahead of your cards. Your dream was the runner runner nut flush, or some sort of overcard draw. Reality was that this guy was way ahead postflop. His strategy is "no free cards," and it can crush, CRUSH someone who is tight-agressive. He's looking to get any measly pair against overcards, and then play fast post-flop. The fact that you're so tight pre-flop might be making you want to play most loosely post-flop, and blinds you to the reality of your meager Ace high holding.

I wrote up a little thing in notepad and I used to open it up and leave it down in the corner of my screen:

DISCIPLINE.
Position Fold.
Must Show Best.

I should really open that up more often when I play. Final note: I'm only treading water over the last 5000 hands, so take my ramblings with a 1000 mg salt pill...

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Is AJs really that strong of a hand?


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Against this guy's range of raising hands, yes.

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Next time you see this guy, sit on his left. Still, I think that c/ring the flop is your best option.

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Agreed. Interestingly enough a little while later at another table I stacked this guy with a set as he called me down with bottom pair, and I was sitting to his left.

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chip-spewing esp as you hadn't taken the lead for the rest of the hand so it lookes like the desperation bluff that it was - with those 2 flush draws out there on the turn if you had really had a hand you would have re-raised big there - he correctly puts you on a draw that missed and now a bluff.

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I pushed the turn.

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If you flat call a maniac pre-flop with AJs you are looking to make your money when you hit the flop and he bets into you all the way with A-junk or 2nd pair or sthg..you are looking to trap him


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That and I'm also looking for spots to push him off his hand.

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If you had re-raised him pre-flop that might have been enough to convince him you had an overpair. Here you just chucked in all your chips at the end with no set-up and no read that he was the type of LAG who was likely to lay it down.

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Good point.

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I was shocked, SHOCKED the first time I looked at my poker tracker stats and found out that AQo was my biggest loser. I'm only treading water over the last 5000 hands, so take my ramblings with a 1000 mg salt pill... .

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I don't think your sample size is large enough to determine whether or not specific hands are profitable. AQo is one of my better winners as is AJs.

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In this situation, I think you let your ego get ahead of your cards.

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perhaps.

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Your dream was the runner runner nut flush, or some sort of overcard draw. Reality was that this guy was way ahead postflop.

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He was very marginally ahead on the flop, he picked up a great draw on the turn.

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His strategy is "no free cards," and it can crush, CRUSH someone who is tight-agressive. He's looking to get any measly pair against overcards, and then play fast post-flop.


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His strategy is actually raise pf,bet flop,bet turn, check river regardless of his holdings.

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The fact that you're so tight pre-flop might be making you want to play most loosely post-flop, and blinds you to the reality of your meager Ace high holding.


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My hand is much better than just A high. Any diamond,Ace, or 9 gives me the win.

I wrote up a little something also, It says:

AGGRESSION
AGGRESSION
AGGRESSION

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Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $6.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $42.5</font>

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I could be very wrong here, but I doubt you do this with a good hand.

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No offense, bro, but this really was awful.

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you did push the turn - i must stop reading the boards at work..


but he bets into a co-ordinated flop with top pair, and you just call him - so he puts you on a draw when you push all in on turn - he has open str8 draw and 2nd pair - he probably correctly put you on flush draw - did he play so badly in calling?

pretty standard at these limits i would say

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I never said I thought villian made a bad call, in fact I think it was a great call . He said he put me on overs, so his read was half correct. Given his read and his cards I would call also. That wasn't my question though. Given his range of hands(ATC) do you think this was a good spot to try and pick up the pot? Try to keep in mind that probably ~90% of the time villian will have absolutely nothing or close to it and will fold.

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Thank you for the elaborate insight.

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this board looks like it just nails a ton of the hands in this dudes range. I think you gotta check fold the flop. if you're gonna get crazy I would probably call the flop and then bet the turn, the check raised turn is a bluff and a half. But like I said this is not the board with this opponent to get blindly aggressive with.

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Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $6.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $42.5</font>

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I could be very wrong here, but I doubt you do this with a good hand.

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Herein lies the problem I believe. You're right I would very rarely play a big hand this way, unless I was sure villian had a monster 2cd best hand. I believe this and the fact that the pot wasn't big enough to push without it being a large overbet were the 2 biggest problems with this play. Thank you.