New Style of Play Earns Big Success
 

Before I tell you my new style, let me give you a little background info. I won $5 in a Freeroll at Absolute. I killed the micro-limits until I was playing normal stakes. I had my account up to $300 and faltered a little, so I took out $100 to bounce around and get bonuses and lost a bunch and was down to $18, so I did some hardcore brainstorming about my game. I came up with a new plan that is working at Limit Cash Games, NL Cash Games, and NL Tourneys (mostly Single Tables).

Super-Tight, Super-Aggressive.
I've stopped playing suited-connectors (unless AK or KQ) & suited-Aces.
I've stopped limping in Pre-Flop.
I've stopped calling from the Small Blind with marginal hands.
I've stopped calling raised pots from the Big Blind with marginal hands.
I've stopped calling small pairs (77 or lower) in a raised pot fearing domination or a coin flip.
I've stopped playing AQoff, AJoff, KQoff, KJ, 10Joff, K10.

All the little $.50 or $1 more to calls that I haven't made, have helped me build my bankroll to $400 in 4 days.

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But you could be making more.

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All the little $.50 or $1 more to calls that I haven't made, have helped me build my bankroll to $400 in 4 days.

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Or maybe you just got lucky.

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Congratulations on your recent success. Your system is intriguing. I have some trouble believing it is superior to playing poker.

The above is a half joke, of course. However, since your "system" is entirely designed for pre-flop, I would suggest that your pre-system losses may be the result of problems with your post-flop play. Solid post-flop play makes many of the pre-flop calls that you are avoiding profitable.

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4 days isn't big success. It's just 4 days.

I'm not saying there's no merit to the super-aggressive theory though. I've known winning players who play considerably more aggressive than I do. But they also don't pass up profitable situations for the sake of not calling.

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You were playing "normal stakes" with a bankroll of $300?

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I've stopped playing suited-connectors (unless AK or KQ) & suited-Aces.

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If you can get in cheap this is probably a mistake.

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I've stopped limping in Pre-Flop.

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In limit you can sometimes limp behind but this is certainly a good habit.


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I've stopped calling from the Small Blind with marginal hands.

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Again, you'll need to difine marginal. KTs in a 6 way pot should be a limp.

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I've stopped calling raised pots from the Big Blind with marginal hands.

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Again, you're probably missing out on value here. Especially in NL if your stacks are deep.

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I've stopped calling small pairs (77 or lower) in a raised pot fearing domination or a coin flip.

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This is fine if you're playing NL on a short-stack. But if deep, you can take someone's whole stack when you hit your set.

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I've stopped playing AQoff, AJoff, KQoff, KJ, 10Joff, K10.

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If you've stopped playing them in limit hold-em you're leaving much $ on the table.


Overall it sounds like you're playing very few hands very strongly. This might be ok but you're not going to improve much--how can you when you don't play post-flop?--and as you move up you're going to win less and less.

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All you are doing is cutting variance slightly and cutting profits considerably. If you were a 3-3.5BB/100 player, this style may net you 1.5-2 BB/100. This sort of play may suit a very weak postflop player, but it is awful for a strong and/or ambitious player.

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You are the best poker player ever.

-SmileyEH

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theres little doubt that you're not any good at poker if you really believe what you're saying is true. there are so many fundamental flaws in your thought process that it goes way beyond tightening up preflop.

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<sarcasm> Yeah, I fold AQ/AJ/KQ etc etc too. These are horrid starting hands and almost always dominated! </sarcasm>

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Nobody has said it so I will. Your whole idea sucks. You will never get good at poker playing this way. Maybe it will reduce variance at lower limits as suggested above but you will never aquire the skills to move up in limits. My advice to you is to take the advice of the senior 2+2er's that reply to your thread seriously and objectively even if you are getting flamed (you need sense knocked into you).

Also if I were you I would go out and buy SSH right away.

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This is more or less the suggested strategy at maniac tables where things are often capped preflop and on one or more streets.

In less aggressive games, not playing all those hands will cost you +EV, but reduce your variance. If you play poorly post-flop, then it's probably better not to play those hands, which might be where you're at at this point which is why the system is working so well for you.

Once you're comfortable, you should try adding hands back in.

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If you don't like variance, the answer is to move down in stakes until you're comfortable, [and possibly learn how to play post-flop] not try and become a nut-peddaling clown.

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For those of you with constructive criticism, I sincerely thank you and look to implement your ideas.

For those of you who suck, piss off.

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For those of you with constructive criticism, I sincerely thank you and look to implement your ideas.

For those of you who suck, piss off.

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I'm fairly certain every player here does not suck as much at poker as you. Go sit at a 30/60 table with GuyOnTilt or something.

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Before I tell you my new style, let me give you a little background info. I won $5 in a Freeroll at Absolute. I killed the micro-limits until I was playing normal stakes. I had my account up to $300 and faltered a little, so I took out $100 to bounce around and get bonuses and lost a bunch and was down to $18, so I did some hardcore brainstorming about my game. I came up with a new plan that is working at Limit Cash Games, NL Cash Games, and NL Tourneys (mostly Single Tables).

Super-Tight, Super-Aggressive.
I've stopped playing suited-connectors (unless AK or KQ) & suited-Aces.
I've stopped limping in Pre-Flop.
I've stopped calling from the Small Blind with marginal hands.
I've stopped calling raised pots from the Big Blind with marginal hands.
I've stopped calling small pairs (77 or lower) in a raised pot fearing domination or a coin flip.
I've stopped playing AQoff, AJoff, KQoff, KJ, 10Joff, K10.

All the little $.50 or $1 more to calls that I haven't made, have helped me build my bankroll to $400 in 4 days.

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What you'e done is fine to stop the bleeding. While you are learning you should be very tight (Mason Malmuth says in Poker Essays that weak tight poker is the first step to winning play.).

Basically you are doing ok right now because you are benefitting from others mistakes.

I would build from here. Start introducing big offsuits back into your game. AQo is one of my biggest winners (as is KTo.. but that is my lucky hand [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]).

Maybe post some hypothetical situations involving post-flop with suited connectors and Big offsuit cards.

Read Winning Low lLimit Holdem by Lee Jones. Play for a month or two and post hands... while rereading the book.

Then Buy Small Stakes Holdem by Ed Miller and play for three more months while reading the book and post ahnds.

Finally take up residence in the Micro-limit forum. There are some excellent players there. As a matter of fact some of thme are so good I wonder why they are playing micr-limits. Anyway that is a more tolerant forum for a relative beginner. Here you will get flamed and made fun of. And you will probably end up discouraged. So put in your time at the micros, I think 80% of the regular posters here came up that way.

Good Luck

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For those of you with constructive criticism, I sincerely thank you and look to implement your ideas.

For those of you who suck, piss off.

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I'm fairly certain every player here does not suck as much at poker as you. Go sit at a 30/60 table with GuyOnTilt or something.

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I don't think he meant we suck at poker, just as human beings. Much less of insult to most of us. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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nut peddling is a proven form of winning at low stakes, congratz...

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Thanks, will do.

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You mean online poker isn't rigged? I can make money at this? Sweet Baby Jesus, I'm turning pro.

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Hopefully this will end the flamage...

Precept2 - perhaps you should begin here.

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"In limit you can sometimes limp behind but this is certainly a good habit."

Never limping is a terrible habit. There are lots of times when limping is correct in loose passive games, like with small pairs and suited Aces in EP and small suited cards in LP after other limpers.

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"In limit you can sometimes limp behind but this is certainly a good habit."

Never limping is a terrible habit. There are lots of times when limping is correct in loose passive games, like with small pairs and suited Aces in EP and small suited cards in LP after other limpers.

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agreed. I didn't feel like qualifying everything for limit, NL, or one-table tournements with the subsets of loose table, tight table, weak table, blah blah.

Yes, limping is fine provided the conditions are right.

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R-o-c-k

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This is not what they call 'pushing small edges' [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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WOW

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You are the best poker player ever.

-SmileyEH

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No, you are.

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The only need I see for a preflop style like this is for two reasons:

1.You have no idea what you are doing postflop
2.You are not good at reading hands
3.You cant fold. (You do know that most sites have a fold button, right?)

Read some poker books, learn how to read hands better, learn what you are doing postflop and why, learn that sometimes folding is the best option.

Again, for anyone that knows what they are doing, this preflop advice sucks. For someone that is just starting out, i still think it sucks. Learning how to play is your best option.

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To the OP:
You have forgotten the face of your father, whose guns you hope someday to bear.

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Before I tell you my new style, let me give you a little background info. I won $5 in a Freeroll at Absolute. I killed the micro-limits until I was playing normal stakes. I had my account up to $300 and faltered a little, so I took out $100 to bounce around and get bonuses and lost a bunch and was down to $18, so I did some hardcore brainstorming about my game. I came up with a new plan that is working at Limit Cash Games, NL Cash Games, and NL Tourneys (mostly Single Tables).

Super-Tight, Super-Aggressive.
I've stopped playing suited-connectors (unless AK or KQ) & suited-Aces.
I've stopped limping in Pre-Flop.
I've stopped calling from the Small Blind with marginal hands.
I've stopped calling raised pots from the Big Blind with marginal hands.
I've stopped calling small pairs (77 or lower) in a raised pot fearing domination or a coin flip.
I've stopped playing AQoff, AJoff, KQoff, KJ, 10Joff, K10.

All the little $.50 or $1 more to calls that I haven't made, have helped me build my bankroll to $400 in 4 days.

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Why on god's green earth did you bump this?

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Clearly you are not aware of this new style of play that earns big success.

(hint: It amuses me highly).

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I'll amuse my foot up your ass.

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with these standards when you go on a bad run of cards your probably won't play any hands. and good players will pick on you, particularly your blinds which basically have someone else's name on them.

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I'll amuse my foot up your ass.

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I'll quote MFUYA!

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thank you for bumping the post that changed my life. i only had $5 left in my party account but using these guidelines i have built to over $12,000 in just a couple of months. thank you precept.

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Why on god's green earth did you bump this?

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I have to take part of the blame for this. It can't all be placed on Dibs' (sic) shoulders.

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HUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(very slow morning, you can tell, amirite?)

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Thanks for bumping this. I missed it the first time round and my life wasn't complete without it.

I've marked it a "favorite thread" and will read it for inspiration whenever I need a big success over the next 4 days.

On a partially related note, I was goofing around last night on a friends computer without PT. I won 100% of my SDs and only had one losing hand that I can recall where I invested more than a single sb. I won over 40bbs in less than 100 hands. So for all you people who think PT isn't the devil, I have indisputable proof that PT hurts your game. In fact, we all know that Party looks at what's running on your computer. I believe my results last night prove that Party is rigged in favor of people without PT.