Very tough spot for me in a 600 game
 

This is a pot-limit game. Player in MP is playing at least two tables that I know of but appears to have recently gone on big time tilt. Hes telling people off at the table and has started raising to the max preflop much more than he was the first ~150 hands (fwiw). He has also been very aggressive postflop as of late. Pushing everyone off of the pot with pot size bets just about any chance he got. Ive been sitting around for quite some time not making any noise, waiting for a good time to get my money in.

I have 600ish, he has over 1k.
I get A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] UTG.
I limp. UTG1 folds, Villain raises to 27. Folded to me. I reraise 75 to go, he calls.

He could have a wide range of hands here, but this definately isn't "any two". Most likely two big cards or a mid pocket pair.

Flop comes 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Pot is ~150

What's my plan?

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"I limp" Stopped reading there..

Why'O'Why would you limp?

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Given your description of opponent and your hand...I check here...against a guy like this, I'd like to get to the river 90% of the time without having to sweat when I only have 1 pair. Plus there are a ton of hands now that could move you off your hand because of their current equity but who's equity goes way down once the turn bricks. He could also give you credit for slow playing a monster...QQ.

What do people do in this situation with QQ again?

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Where did the villain raise from? Is he an observant player? If so, I would go ahead and bet the full pot if you think he perceives you as solid. I feel that anything less will be read as weak, and he will pop you back, and then you will be in a stickier situation than the one you are in right now.

Better to be the bettor in this situation.

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He could also give you credit for slow playing a monster...QQ.

What do people do in this situation with QQ again?

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I would never check QQ right here. Villain could easily have AhX or 10 10, and he would check back either of those hands. IMO, if you make a full pot bet this board is too scary to bluff at without a hand that is currently beating you.

The way the poster described the villain, he will bet the pot with any two cards if you check it to him.

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And by the way Mark, since you live in East Lansing have you ever been to the 200 NL on either Frye Street or at ZBT ?

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Bet the pot. Call unless a 4th heart come. Possibly check and reraise thats has some merit too.

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I hear you, I guess I was just trying to keep the pot small/get to showdown as cheap as possible against this type of villain. Trying to exercise some form of pot control maybe. If I check the flop though I imagine I have to be willing to call any kind of heat he throws at me on the next 2 streets. Most opponents though on this board against a preflop raiser wtih his image won't double barrel bluff. So if he bets the turn hard and bets the river hard, assuming they are non-relevant, it's safe to assume you are behind. But if he bets the turn hard and checks the river, then I think you are good.

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"I limp" Stopped reading there..

Why'O'Why would you limp?

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Well because I wanted to LRR. Looking back, I can see how this may not have been the best idea. I knew he would raise my limp quite often, but was unsure how often he would reraise a raise of mine (I dont think very often). In terms of pot control, I really have no idea what would have been best.

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Given your description of opponent and your hand...I check here...against a guy like this, I'd like to get to the river 90% of the time without having to sweat when I only have 1 pair. Plus there are a ton of hands now that could move you off your hand because of their current equity but who's equity goes way down once the turn bricks. He could also give you credit for slow playing a monster...QQ.

What do people do in this situation with QQ again?

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My read in the OP probably could have used a little more info. If I check he is very likely potting it. Both on the flop and the turn.

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And by the way Mark, since you live in East Lansing have you ever been to the 200 NL on either Frye Street or at ZBT ?

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I played on Frye St. Dean I believe was the name of the kid running it. That was over a year ago, not sure if the game still runs.

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Where did the villain raise from? Is he an observant player? If so, I would go ahead and bet the full pot if you think he perceives you as solid. I feel that anything less will be read as weak, and he will pop you back, and then you will be in a stickier situation than the one you are in right now.

Better to be the bettor in this situation.

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Villain was MP, Im not sure how observant he is. He's very tilted from a few suckouts that have happened to him. He will not hesitate to throw chips in the pot as he has shown recently.

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Bet the pot. Call unless a 4th heart come. Possibly check and reraise thats has some merit too.

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And fold to a raise on the flop?

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If you're saying there's no way to keep the pot small then are you prepared to give up on the hand on the flop and wait for a better spot? If you check and he bets the pot, what's your plan? If you bet the pot or 3/4ths pot wait do you do if he calls or raises?

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And fold to a raise on the flop?

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Hands that beat you that he would raise with - 99, JJ, QQ, K10 (unlikely he holds this from your read), made flush
Hands that you beat that he might raise with - Ah10 or Q or J, 10h 10x.

I'm just not sure...either your beat or he has 9 outs at the minimum. I would probably fold.

And yeah, Dean's game is the one I'm talking about. I played there from November - June. Were you around then?

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If you're saying there's no way to keep the pot small then are you prepared to give up on the hand on the flop and wait for a better spot? If you check and he bets the pot, what's your plan? If you bet the pot or 3/4ths pot wait do you do if he calls or raises?

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Well, I do feel that Im going to have a hard time getting money in with a winning hand. Perhaps the best thing to do is bet 1/2-2/3 the pot and give up after that?

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I played on Frye St. Dean I believe was the name of the kid running it. That was over a year ago, not sure if the game still runs.

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I played in that game a while back when i was at school. THey changed it to 2/5 when certain players came to play. THat game was incredible....

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I played in that game a while back when i was at school. THey changed it to 2/5 when certain players came to play. THat game was incredible....


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I was a regular at the 2/5 game, which usually didn't start till 3 AM with an avg stack of 700+. Of course it didn't help when Dean took a stack of 25's from the rake money and bought in for 2,000. I fully expected to pay 40+ dollars to see a flop, especially when the pot was straddled every hand.

More action junkies there than anywhere I've ever played.

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I like the limp. It's reasonable to expect a raise behind you. Maybe you get one other caller with TT-QQ to go a little further than they would otherwise.

I like taking chances with AA when there's a good possibility that they'll pay off. You just had an unlucky flop, which woulda been the same either way.

Marlow

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I would not check the flop as it is in fact so ugly and so many cards would complete many weak draws. When you bet the pot on the flop like this you are representing either a set, or AA/KK with the heart, although you do not of course have it. If then raised I would fold, and if called I would probably lead out the turn again to a blank, again 'probably' being prepared to fold to a raise. If called again, I would probably check no matter what came and be prepared to call a blank since your read is he is tilting and thus more likely to bluff. Also, FWIW, by my calculations you could have made it about 84 on the reraise preflop and this is what you should have done in order to give him the least attractive odds to flop a set on you, although since this is pot limit and not no limit, you cannot actually give him less than correct odds given a 600 stack size. Another option is to merely call his raise since it is pot limit and you are out of position, and then lead the flop no matter what so as not to give him a good read on your hand. If after limp reraising, you are not prepared to bet this flop then I would fold, since merely check/calling does not give you as accurate a read on his hand.