player differences between .5/1 and 1/2 @ party
i don't know how to play 1/2
do i play it the same way I play .50/1 what is the difference between .5/1 and 1/2 that makes me need to adjust my play thanks |
Re: player differences between .5/1 and 1/2 @ party
There are a few more tight and, relatively speaking, better players.
It's nothing to get worked about though. If you can beat one you can beat the other. |
Re: player differences between .5/1 and 1/2 @ party
Not the same. There are some threads about this within the last week. Check the list of posts going back a few days.
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Re: player differences between .5/1 and 1/2 @ party
thanks
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Re: player differences between .5/1 and 1/2 @ party
if the players are better and more aggressive, your edge will be less bb/100 than before, and therefore you should expect greater swings in terms of bb/100 over 5k hands or so.
twice the cash means you can play half the tables at the same hourly rate while getting better education / 100 hands. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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There are a few more tight and, relatively speaking, better players. It's nothing to get worked about though. [/ QUOTE ] - I'm finding it quite a bit tighter. - I've dropped my VPIP from 30 to 25. Maybe if you played .5/1 at VPIP 25 or lower, it doesn't seem like as much of an adjustment. - I thought I was raising more, but PT is telling me I'm raising both around the same 9.5% to 10%. - I'm stealing more blinds. |
Re: player differences between .5/1 and 1/2 @ party
Because there are much more better players on this stake, you must have a good and nearly complete Pokertracker-Database, because you want to play against the noobs. And you need to play a little tighter. Some Hands like 99 you raise for value profitable if there are many bad and loose players on this table. But if the opponents play tighter 99 is no hand for preflop valueraises, because your opponents will call and reraise you only with hands that are better than your 99 most times.
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[ QUOTE ] There are a few more tight and, relatively speaking, better players. It's nothing to get worked about though. [/ QUOTE ] - I'm finding it quite a bit tighter. - I've dropped my VPIP from 30 to 25. Maybe if you played .5/1 at VPIP 25 or lower, it doesn't seem like as much of an adjustment. - I thought I was raising more, but PT is telling me I'm raising both around the same 9.5% to 10%. - I'm stealing more blinds. [/ QUOTE ] 30VPIP is 5-7% too high at .5/1, 25VPIP is prob a couple points to high as well and if you are playing that many hands you need a PFR of 12-13ish its not that tough of game to beat though, a little tighter, slightly better/more aggro players but overall still a soft game [ QUOTE ] Because there are much more better players on this stake, you must have a good and nearly complete Pokertracker-Database [/ QUOTE ] no you don't first off they are a little better, but not much, they don't payoff in general with junk as often, and are a little tighter ... but most of the players are still pretty bad |
Re: player differences between .5/1 and 1/2 @ party
My PT database is very incomplete, and I have no troubles beating the .5/1, 1/2 games (or 2/4 for that matter). PT is helpful, but it is definitely not necessary at all. I'm sure a lot of players here could crush those limits just as easily without it.
At .5/1, a good, loose table ends up being about 8BB average pots with about 40%+ VPIP. A good 1/2 table is about 6-7 BB average pots with VPIP about 35% (from my experience). You shouldn't have to make many adjustments to beat it, just be aware of more aggresive players. |
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If you were a "much better player" wouldnt you rather play at 2/4 and up?
It's a little bit tighter/aggressive but I wouldnt say it's filled with "much better players" and that it requires a complete PT database. |
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Because there are much more better players on this stake, you must have a good and nearly complete Pokertracker-Database, because you want to play against the noobs. And you need to play a little tighter. Some Hands like 99 you raise for value profitable if there are many bad and loose players on this table. But if the opponents play tighter 99 is no hand for preflop valueraises, because your opponents will call and reraise you only with hands that are better than your 99 most times. [/ QUOTE ] If the table is super-tight and would only re-raise with hands > 99, I'm raising crap like J9s UTG. |
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If the table is super-tight and would only re-raise with hands > 99, I'm raising crap like J9s UTG. [/ QUOTE ] I play on tables sometimes where most people have something like that for reraising standards, and I assure you raising J9s utg is a bad idea here. Loosening up somewhat from the BTN/CO isn't a bad idea though, especially if people don't tend to adapt accordingly. |
Re: player differences between .5/1 and 1/2 @ party
It depends on when you play. For people in USA it's not a huge difference when they play in the evenings. If you play european daytime it's a different animal. That's why we have these arguments all the time.
In my database 30k 0.5/1 hands ASF (average saw flop) 40 %. 35k 1/2 it's 29 % with much more raised pots preflop. => HUGE DIFFERENCE, no two ways about it. Period |
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It depends on when you play. For people in USA it's not a huge difference when they play in the evenings. If you play european daytime it's a different animal. That's why we have these arguments all the time. In my database 30k 0.5/1 hands ASF (average saw flop) 40 %. 35k 1/2 it's 29 % with much more raised pots preflop. => HUGE DIFFERENCE, no two ways about it. Period [/ QUOTE ] This matches my experience. If you're logging in at 9 pm Eastern Time you won't see a difference, but in the "off hours" the difference is enormous. |
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What do you mean by "Complete Poker Tracker Database"?
Excuse my newbie ignorance! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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if the players are better and more aggressive, your edge will be less bb/100 than before, and therefore you should expect greater swings in terms of bb/100 over 5k hands or so. [/ QUOTE ] Is this true? To what extent are the swings extended? How long do you hang on before a major re-evaluation? |
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[ QUOTE ] if the players are better and more aggressive, your edge will be less bb/100 than before, and therefore you should expect greater swings in terms of bb/100 over 5k hands or so. [/ QUOTE ] Is this true? To what extent are the swings extended? How long do you hang on before a major re-evaluation? [/ QUOTE ] I think to some extent as long as you are reasonably comfortable with the poker in the games, you just have to commit to playing a certain number of hands at the level before re-evaluating, otherwise you'll drive yourself nuts every time you have to rebuy. |
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