A solution for all the America haters out there
 

Hate America? Think Bush is Eeeevil? The government was behind 9/11? Well, here’s the perfect solution…..

Step1

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/

Step2

http://www.aircanada.com/en/home.html


Have a nice flight and don’t let the door hit you in the butt on your way out.

Flame away:p

Re: A solution for all the America haters out there
 

This thread has so much potential.

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I have never met an American yet who hates America. Though I have come across a number of surprisingly ignorant people who think that those who don't like Bush hate America.

Its funny, too, how these same ignorant folk didn't leave America if they hated Clinton. Yet expect those who hate Bush to leave.

(btw- I'm aware your post was intended to be funny (at least I assume so), but there are a number of people who would be sincere so I'm addressing those types.)

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What about me.

I quite like "America" (Quotes because this word probably means something very different to you than it does to me) but think Bush is a complete and utter twat.

Also I dont need to go from one colony to another as I am in Britian.

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Wow. What a great post. I am Canadian. I don't hate America. I don't even hate Bush. I don't hate republicans. I don't hate democrats. Infact, I don't hate anybody. To me, it's all one big pile of human sh!t that we just happen to be at the bottom of. Nothing to particularly dislike about it, nor to particularly like about it.

Do I think America was responsible for 911? Absolutely. Do I "fault" them for it? Absolutely not.

They did it because they felt it was necessary to preserve their way of life, and to hopefully secure the future for generations to come. Everything is calculated. It's just the natural course of evolution. The strong weeding out the weak if you will. But because of our natural "compassion" for others, we blind ourselves to the fact that everything we have is based on all we believe to be "wrong" with the world.

This should help you to understand. http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

Because petrochemicals are key components to much more than just the gas in your car. As geologist Dale Allen Pfeiffer points out in his article entitled, "Eating Fossil Fuels," approximately 10 calories of fossil fuels are required to produce every 1 calorie of food eaten in the US.

The size of this ratio stems from the fact that every step of modern food production is fossil fuel and petrochemical powered:

1. Pesticides are made from oil;
2. Commercial fertilizers are made from ammonia, which is made from natural gas, which will peak about 10 years after oil peaks;
3. Farming implements such as tractors and trailers are constructed and powered using oil;
4. Food storage systems such as refrigerators are manufactured in oil-powered plants, distributed across oil-powered transportation networks and usually run on electricity, which most often comes from natural gas or coal;
5. In the US, the average piece of food is transported almost 1,500 miles before it gets to your plate. In Canada, the average piece of food is transported 5,000 miles from where it is produced to where it is consumed.

In short, people gobble oil like two-legged SUVs. It's not just transportation and agriculture that are entirely dependent on abundant, cheap oil. Modern medicine, water distribution, and national defense are each entirely powered by oil and petroleum derived chemicals.

In addition to transportation, food, water, and modern medicine, mass quantities of oil are required for all plastics, all computers and all high-tech devices.

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I'm aware your post was intended to be funny

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Yeah! You get it and win the prize!! Would you like a window seat? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: A solution for all the America haters out there
 

Be careful about Savinar, though...
if you havn't found it already;
www.peakoil.com

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Also I dont need to go from one colony to another as I am in Britian.

[/ QUOTE ] I am not sure what you are talking about. Last time I checked, Canada was the 51st state.

you obviously hate America
 

Please leave.
You are just another hate filled Nazi neocon that despises the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

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I love America, but hate the country that it's gradually turning into. Refer to SpearsBritney's post, but in a more negative light.

LIberalism is Losing.....American is Shifting Back Towards its Roots
 

I love America, but hate the country that it's gradually turning into. Refer to SpearsBritney's post, but in a more negative light.
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"(I) hate the country that it's gradually turning into."
Personally, I do NOT think you love the USA. Your 'love' of the USA is completely conditional on which POLITICAL PARTY is in power. I think the 2nd part of your sentence is where the truth really lies...

Politically, the ideology liberalism is in the decline. Jimmy Carter/Ronald Reagan were the two men most responsible for turning the corner. Jimmy Carter for being such an incompetant boob and Reagan for establishing conservatism as a viable alternative to liberalism (I hope Bush43's Compassionate Conservatism aka Democrat Lite is just a passing fad). Once the 1960s generation dies off, the Democrat party will be in HUGE trouble.

The American Democrat Party has had a strangle-hold on American politics since FDR. In the 1990s the Republicans won the House for the first time in roughly 50 years, the CBS/NBC/ABC liberal news monopoly has been broken (thank you internet and cable news!). The main stumbling block is activist liberal judges who ignore the Constitution and make rulings on their whims. The only two ways to get rid of these judges is by impeachment or by replacing them with originalist judges as the liberal judges die/retire.

Americans have been gradually rejecting liberalism (the Democrats!) since Jimmy Carter. If you truly hate the way the country is headed, you are REALLY GOING to hate it in the future. Perhaps Canadian citizenship is for you.

Slamdunkpro is welcome to stay
 

We need more "Nazis" like him. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Jeez....after listening to liberal fruitcakes call people Nazis for the 1000th time it starts getting funny. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: LIberalism is Losing.....American is Shifting Back Towards its Roots
 

Thanks, Rush.

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Thanks, Rush.
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Rush is against drug decriminalization and several other of my pet issues.
Perhaps one day he will change these positions but I doubt it.

Re: LIberalism is Losing.....American is Shifting Back Towards its Roo
 

Well then... you're not all like a rush limbaugh lite. After all, you're not 100% clones.

Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh.

Re: you obviously hate America
 

Sorry, I don’t hate anyone – you’re the one calling people names. I support your right to stay and insult me; I also support your right to leave. The difference is I will help [ you with the second.

Would you like a window or aisle seat? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Jimmy Carter for being such an incompetant boob

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I actually have to take exception to this. Carter’s problem was that he was actually too smart. He was such an intellectual that he tried to micro manage every event. That was truly his downfall That and appointing a bunch of backwoods clowns

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you’re the one calling people names.

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How do you figure? You call people who disagree with you "america haters."

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I quite like "America"... but think Bush is a complete and utter twat.


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Not possible. Yr either with us or against us. If you don't love Bush then you hate America -- it's really that simple.

In closing, why do you hate freedom?

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It must be because we are all Communists!!!!

McCarthy would be proud guys, nice one.

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Rush is against drug decriminalization...

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I love irony.

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Rush is against drug decriminalization...


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I love irony.

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That's the kind of thing that makes me wonder how anyone can take Rush seriously.

Re: you obviously hate America
 

I've never called any one person an America hater. I just posted a generic comment "to all the America haters", nor did I say "people who disagree with me are America haters"; you said that.

Window or Aisle seat? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I actually have to take exception to this. Carter’s problem was that he was actually too smart. He was such an intellectual that he tried to micro manage every event. That was truly his downfall That and appointing a bunch of backwoods clowns
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Carter did have a genius level IQ.

But....you can't blame all of Carter's lousy results on micromanagement and poor appointees. It is a poor craftsman that blames his tools. The Dems controlled the Legislative, Judicial, and Executive Branch. Because of this Carter had tons of power to carry out his policies and he used it. I lived through through the Carter years and they sucked. The Iran Hostages made him look like a complete wimp. Carter EASILY makes my top five in worst US presidents (Carter, Grant, Harding, Buccanon(sp?), ???).

Can you name one policy that Carter tried io implement but was sabotage by his micromagement or incompetant appointees?

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kurto the problem is the loonies hate Bush sooooooo much that they transpose that hate to the american soldier. Which gives people the impression that they hate america.
They believe Bush is evil so his troops must be evil as well.
I don't honestly believe you hate america. You hate Bush so much you instantly have to hate anything assosiated with him.
Bill Maher said it best I think.. something along the lines of " we start off every situation with " I hate Bush" and work from there, even ideas that we(liberals)supported before, we are now against because Bush is for them."
Don't be a hater.

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Can you name one policy that Carter tried io implement but was sabotage by his micromagement or incompetant appointees?

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First I'm not defending Carter, I lived through that quagmire as well. In fact I was working for the government at the time. I agree that the Carter administration was one of the worst in history.

As to your question; the Iran rescue fiasco was a direct result of Carter trying to run it remotely from Washington. Second, Carter tended to get immersed in small localized problems at the expense of his attention to larger issues which was then left to the “Georgia Mafia”. Three Mile Island was a good example of that.

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kurto the problem is the loonies hate Bush sooooooo much that they transpose that hate to the american soldier.

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No they don't. Its typical of you loonies to tell others who they hate.

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Which gives people the impression that they hate america.


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Not 'people', because that would imply everyone thinks that way as opposed to just some of the dumber people from the right. Partisan propagandists tell the sheep that they hate america to demonize the opposition. Its illogical and stupid. The Rubes in the Republican Party buy it though and start to repeat it endlessly regardless of whether or not there's any truth to it or if it makes any sense.

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They believe Bush is evil so his troops must be evil as well.


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As always, its hard to take you seriously. Since I've never heard anyone who dislikes Bush say this. Yet, you hear the more moronic people on the right say this sort of thing all the time. The fact that you buy into this idea says more about you then Democrats.

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I don't honestly believe you hate america. You hate Bush so much you instantly have to hate anything assosiated with him.


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No, there have been times I've been okay with some things he's done. Though those times are few and far between. But I don't hate him. I think he's terrible for our country because of his misguided policies.

If anyone cares about their country, and they think someone is bad for it, they'll oppose it. I would argue that I want Bush out BECAUSE I love my country and want it to be better.

But, morons out there will conclude if you oppose policies of the person they like, then you must hate America. So, a good moron test is... if you see 'John Doe' calling others "America Haters", then more then likely John Doe is an idiot.

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Bill Maher said it best I think.. something along the lines of " we start off every situation with " I hate Bush" and work from there, even ideas that we(liberals)supported before, we are now against because Bush is for them."


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I'm sure there's some truth to that. Yet these people don't hate America. They hate Bush. You can see the same thing with the way many Republicans despise Hilary. And they have less reason to hate her. People should be judged on the quality of their ideas and how well they get the job done.

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I just posted a generic comment "to all the America haters", nor did I say "people who disagree with me are America haters

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Oh, Please. We've heard the rhetoric enough times. People who dare to criticize Bush or something our country does, the Right labels them America Haters.

Don't act coy.

Were you writing your posting to Middle Eastern Terrorists?

Why don't you be specific then, since I don't think there's any America Haters on this forum. I'm not sure I'm aware of any Americans who qualify. So, if you don't mean it in the ugly way that Republicans demonize people who disagree with Bush... why don't you clarify how you meant it?

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People who dare to criticize Bush or something our country does,

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I never mentioned Bush.

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Don't act coy.

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You’re right; I’m incapable of actually saying what I mean (unlike you). It’s just a vast conspiracy!

Read my second post in the thread.

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Correction to Kurto - I did mention Bush [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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I'm aware your post was intended to be funny

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Yeah! You get it and win the prize!! Would you like a window seat? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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It wasn't obvious enough in the OP that you were picking a fight? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Since this has turned serious...

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The war in Afghanistan was a necessary result of the 9/11 attack on America. We had to eradicate the nest of devils who were using that country to plan and launch and coordinate the downfall of our nation.


The same can't be said of the war in Iraq. As evil as Saddam was, he posed no imminent threat to us, and he was essentially incapable of aiming more than rhetoric at his neighbors.


So, what caused the war in Iraq?


The obvious answer is that it was an evil plot by the Bush administration, and that is partly true. We know that Bush lied to us about the reasons for going to war when we did, and we now know that the aftermath has been terribly mismanaged and that we are in a mess. However, merely blaming Bush and his cronies let's us all off way to easy.


The Bushies should definitely be held accountable for their sins, for they are many, but the rest of us must own up to our own complicity. Afghanistan was for our safety, but Iraq was mostly about our unrestrained need for oil. In short, Iraq was about our greed, and we have to come to grips with that fact.


Are everyday Americans really ready to admit our own part in creating the conditions that led to the Iraq war? I don't think so, at least not yet. Most of us would rather continue on our carefree, energy-and-resource-consuming ways and let the problems remain "over there" and thus out of mind.


As a society, we still think the cost in dollars is of no concern (let future generations pay the bill) and the loss of life is still at an acceptable level (after all, they were volunteers). As long as we don't have to give up our SUVs and all of the other excesses we think define "the American way of life," and as long as we don't have to see the body bags, we can remain in denial.


So, we're probably still a ways away from admitting that we, the energy gluttons of the world, are all part of the dynamic that got us into this mess in Iraq.



We are finally beginning to sense that things are not well with our world, though. For a while we will play the blame game, and that will make us feel better, and it might be good for Democrats politically since the Bushies are due extra blame for their misguided actions.



But, it won't stop the nagging realization that our pursuit of happiness is being paid for by someone else, though, and that our cocoon of safety and prosperity can't last.


Perhaps we will find a temporary salve by bringing the Iraq situation to some sort of conclusion that allows us to bring the troops home, and that gives us access to Iraqi oil for years to come, and let's us get back to using resources and pursuing the good times fulltime without distraction.



However, the underlaying problem will still be with us, and it is us and our way of life. Ultimately, the American people are going to have to face that truth, and then perhaps we can begin the long process of getting ourselves out of this mess we have created.



We will have to transform our society into something new ... a free people striving for meaningful lives, with enough to go around for everyone, and living in harmony with one another, other nations, and the planet.

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I never mentioned Bush.


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I didn't say you did. I said that the Right labels people as America Haters if they disagree with Bush or some policy or action of the US.

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You’re right; I’m incapable of actually saying what I mean (unlike you). It’s just a vast conspiracy!



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You may be incapable of saying what you mean. I'm pretty sure I've seen you refer to America Haters in other threads. Are you mocking RW idiots? Because a number of people immediately jumped into the thread to attack the so-called America Haters. It seems they didn't realize you were joking.

If you were mocking them, I apologize. As you can see, there are so many people who spout this nonsense sincerely, its hard to tell the people mocking this nonsense from the real deal.

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Correction to Kurto - I did mention Bush

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Not a problem. Like I said, if you didn't, others have made the same claims. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] And I'm disagreeing with that whole notion rathar then specifically just your post.

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Carter EASILY makes my top five in worst US presidents (Carter, Grant, Harding, Buccanon(sp?), ???).

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Grant, and Harding, yes, hands down. But Carter did help broker peach btwn Egypt and Israel (which granted, I probably value more than you).

Buchanan, maybe. I would have to say:

1) JFK -- clearly the worst ever (and this is coming from a liberal)
2) [not saying]
3) Harding
4) Hoover
5) Grant

Re: LIberalism is Losing.....American is Shifting Back Towards its Roo
 

Carter bought peace at a huge cost in Foreign aid. What he did also paved the way for the rebelion in Iran.

Coolidge should be in that list somewhere.

Re: A solution for all the America haters out there
 

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I quite like "America"... but think Bush is a complete and utter twat.


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Not possible. Yr either with us or against us. If you don't love Bush then you hate America -- it's really that simple.

In closing, why do you hate freedom?

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Wait, are you being serious and ridiculing the left, or are you being facetious and goofing on the right?

One way, you're an idiot, the other way, you're alright!

-ptmusic

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We need more "Nazis" like him. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Jeez....after listening to liberal fruitcakes call people Nazis for the 1000th time it starts getting funny. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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And after hearing all the right wing conservatives call liberals names for the 10,000th time, it starts getting annoying.

-ptmusic

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Rick Santorum and Pat Buchanan have both recently called the left nazis... but there's nary a peep about that. They pretend its one sided.

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Rick Santorum and Pat Buchanan have both recently called the left nazis... but there's nary a peep about that. They pretend its one sided.

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You are a good dem kurto.
I like the way you repeat stuffover and over again. Even if its false. Words like "torture' that you throw in 10 times a post.
This latest one is one of my favorites.
you have mentioned this Santurom and Buchannon thing about 15 times over the last few days.
As usual you leave out the reality.
Both Rick and Pat were chastised by THEIR OWN PARTY !!
Both apologised.as they should have. If you watched a legit news source you wouuld know that. Try Fox.
You won't sound so ignorant