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mwilli31 06-16-2005 05:35 PM

Another \"moving up\" post
 
I've been reading a lot of posts recently about moving from .50/1 to 1/2 and how some have found the transition pretty difficult. I personally have yet to play Party .50/1 but have a decent poker background. I've pretty much crushed games up to .25/.50 (which I know isn't saying much) and have spent the last several months casino whoring to build a BR while at the same time reading and rereading SSH, ITH, TOP. I also recently bought PT. Now finally to my question: With a bankroll sufficient enough to start playing at 2/4, should I still just move up to .50/1 and get some experience so I can go to 1/2, OR simply start off playing 1/2 to avoid what some are saying is a tough transition from the looseness of .50/1 to the so-called "rock garden" of 1/2?

Comments or suggestions greatly appreciated.

silkyslim 06-16-2005 05:38 PM

Re: Another \"moving up\" post
 
play .5/1 and get a PT database, then post again. (try around 10k hands)

kapw7 06-16-2005 05:39 PM

Re: Another \"moving up\" post
 
If you have the BR for 2/4 don't play 0.5/1 or even 1/2. You are not going to learn anything useful. If you find out that your experience is not good enough then you can move back down.

Sasnak 06-16-2005 05:46 PM

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If you have the BR for 2/4 don't play 0.5/1 or even 1/2. You are not going to learn anything useful. If you find out that your experience is not good enough then you can move back down.

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I got the BR for 3/6 and am grinding the 1/2. Testing your game at 1/2 for a few thousand hands won't take long, and it's better than jumping to a level where the play is totally different from what he's been playing.

Emotionally speaking, getting sucked out on a 30BB pot at 1/2 is easier to take then the same 30BB suckout at 2/4. ie., TILT! Steaming through 50-100BB's at 2/4 can devastate his roll.

Test your game at 1/2, then move up if you feel you are capable of it.

silkyslim 06-16-2005 05:47 PM

Re: Another \"moving up\" post
 
I totally disagree. Please don't jump to 2/4 online you will regret it.

aK13 06-16-2005 05:55 PM

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If you have the BR for 2/4 don't play 0.5/1 or even 1/2. You are not going to learn anything useful.

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kapw7 06-16-2005 06:26 PM

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I totally disagree. Please don't jump to 2/4 online you will regret it.

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I play at 2/4 (more SH than full-ring) and I don't find it that scary at all

kapw7 06-16-2005 06:28 PM

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Steaming through 50-100BB's at 2/4 can devastate his roll.

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50-100BBs is not a big deal if you are properly bankrolled (>300BB)

Jakesta 06-16-2005 06:31 PM

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Steaming through 50-100BB's at 2/4 can devastate his roll.

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50-100BBs is not a big deal if you are properly bankrolled (>300BB)

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100 BB is 1/3 of your roll if you have 300 BB. Don't be ridiculous Kapo.

kapw7 06-16-2005 06:36 PM

Re: Another \"moving up\" post
 
Who is ridiculous?
You have 1000+ posts here and you never read before about the 300BB bankroll rule , about 50-100BB downswings being normal etc etc ??

Jakesta 06-16-2005 06:40 PM

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Who is ridiculous?
You have 1000+ posts here and you never read before about the 300BB bankroll rule , about 50-100BB downswings being normal etc etc ??

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I know about the 300 BB rule, don't be foolish. That assumes you're a winning player Kapo. My problem with your comments were that you were acting like 100 BB downswings are nothing. They are certainly something.

kapw7 06-16-2005 06:52 PM

Re: Another \"moving up\" post
 
Cool down with those adjectives (foolish, ridiculous etc). I'm not your high school mate.
You don't know if you are a winning player until you play. 100BB downswings are not nice but are expected to happen.
My name is not "kapo".

aK13 06-16-2005 06:54 PM

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Who is ridiculous?
You have 1000+ posts here and you never read before about the 300BB bankroll rule , about 50-100BB downswings being normal etc etc ??

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Following such advice is a sure-fire way to go bust.

Work on your game at .5/1 first -- it'll save you money, especially if you don't turn out to be a winning player yet.

Just because you have 300BB at the higher limit doesn't mean you should be moving up. .5/1, 1/2, and 2/4, as much as you might object, are different games, and require slightly different adjustments.

EDIT: they are normal yes, but you may think that you are on a downswing when you have some major leaks.

ClaytonN 06-16-2005 06:56 PM

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If you have the BR for 2/4 don't play 0.5/1 or even 1/2. You are not going to learn anything useful. If you find out that your experience is not good enough then you can move back down.

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This advice is only good if his roll is replenishable. Nine times out of ten, this is not the case.

topspin 06-16-2005 07:01 PM

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If you have the BR for 2/4 don't play 0.5/1 or even 1/2. You are not going to learn anything useful. If you find out that your experience is not good enough then you can move back down.

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This advice is only good if his roll is replenishable. Nine times out of ten, this is not the case.

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Really? I'd have thought that for the vast majority of normal people, a 300BB roll at 0.5/1 or even 2/4 is easily replenishable. (Whether you are willing to do and whether it is advisable or not is another story.)

I agree that jumping from .25/.5 to 2/4 is probably somewhat drastic though.

mwilli31 06-16-2005 07:18 PM

Re: Another \"moving up\" post
 
Right now I'm leaning toward playing .5/1 and seeing how that goes first. Someone had mentioned playing 10k hands at that level. Do you guys think that number of hands would give me a fair assessment? I've read on here a couple times about moving up if you can get 300BB in 10k hands. I'd rather not spent more time than necessary at .5/1 but I do believe it will be good for my game to get some stats and post some hands.

TomBrooks 06-17-2005 01:38 AM

Re: Another \"moving up\" post
 
I suggest you go to .5/1. For most people, to do anything else strikes me as foolhardy. But maybe your one of the few for whom skipping a level would be no problem. What's your rush, anyway? You don't think doubling the stakes is substantial enough?

By the way, I am one of the persons who posted recently I had trouble with 1/2. But I was multitabling and playing extended sessions to clear bonii. I played a couple of 1 table sessions since then and did quite well with them.

mwilli31 06-17-2005 11:59 AM

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What's your rush, anyway?

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No rush really. Like I said, I have the BR for 2/4, but I know that's a bit drastic to move up that far. I figured I could avoid the transition from .5/1 to 1/2 and just start off getting used to the 1/2 tables. But it seems the consensus is .5/1 is a better move.

deception5 06-17-2005 12:22 PM

Re: Another \"moving up\" post
 
I think you're making a smart move. I personally would make sure you're beating .50/1 over at least 5k-10k hands for a decent rate, then move up to 1/2 full ring and 6-max as there is a ton to be learned there.


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