Your BETTING
 

this is a 2 parter.

i just starte to play NL ring games. Ive played NL sit and goes for a bit now.

Ok. In each of your "humble" opinions What is the size of your bets in a NL ring game.

in fractions of the pot.

do you fairly consistently be x$ preflop with a playable hand? when you bet after the flop if you hit do you bet? 1/2 the pot? 2/3 the pot? the Pot? etc

If u dont hit do u bet 1/2 the pot etc etc? I personally would think that your gonna piss through your bankroll quickly if ur always betting the size of the pot.


ok the 2nd part of the question.

What exactly do you think the following terms mean (without using a dictionary) i want your own personal opinoions


Value Bet:
Continuation Bet:
Protecting your hand?

Re: Your BETTING
 

The answer to the question, "Do I want them to call or to fold?" determines the amount of the bet, and on the river if you want a call, then the question is, "how much will he call?". Finally, the the answer to the question, "how will a bet of size X be read by my opponent?" also factors in.

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Well the reason Im asking this is because ive read MANY people on here saying they bet teh size of the pot, and others say they consistently bet 2/3 of the pot, and some are like, i wont be more then 3/4 of the pot. Just curious

my question may be stupid, i dunno.

Re: Your BETTING
 

As a general guide

Preflop raise - 3xbb-6xbb
Flop bet - 2/3pot- 1 and 1/3pot
Turn - 2/3pot to pot
River - 1/2pot upwards

Although I realised as I was writing those out that they are utterly useless because everything is so situation based.

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As a general guide

Preflop raise - 3xbb-6xbb
Flop bet - 2/3pot- 1 and 1/3pot
Turn - 2/3pot to pot
River - 1/2pot upwards


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mmm.. ya, give or take a little

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I understand all situations are different, but a general guide is handy. but mang. the way i see it is that almost every pot u play if ur diong that ur gonna be using like half ur stack to play. yes not? like ur not going to a table with 10,000 dollars and if ur playing like that, u can easily get OVER involved in a pot. in my eyes at least. u could take HUGE swings if u dont win the pots. am i wrong thinking this?

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I understand all situations are different, but a general guide is handy. but mang. the way i see it is that almost every pot u play if ur diong that ur gonna be using like half ur stack to play. yes not? like ur not going to a table with 10,000 dollars and if ur playing like that, u can easily get OVER involved in a pot. in my eyes at least. u could take HUGE swings if u dont win the pots. am i wrong thinking this?

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You will be using a lot of your stack, but this shouldn't be a lot of your bankroll - if your stack represents a large % of your bankroll, you're playing at too high a limit.

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if your stack represents a large % of your bankroll, you're playing at too high a limit.

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And which means you are playing with SCARED MONEY, a losing proposition.

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if your stack represents a large % of your bankroll, you're playing at too high a limit.

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And which means you are playing with SCARED MONEY, a losing proposition.

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don't forget the CHECK button

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haha lol 1) im not scared to play. I dont think about the money WHILE im playing, i think about it afterwards, (and before) im just wondering how long are you actually gonna last in a session if u keep betting in this manner, if u lose 1 hand, ur putting urself in a bad situation. and lets be honest, ur NOT gonna win every pot u play in. Just seems like to me its excessive (but what do i know) [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

thats why im asking everyone else

pardon the spelling, im lazy

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im just wondering how long are you actually gonna last in a session if u keep betting in this manner, if u lose 1 hand, ur putting urself in a bad situation.

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Only bet in favorable situations. Check/fold otherwise. When you lose a big hand, REBUY.

M

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2/3rd to a full pot is normal. There are times to over bet. Times to underbet would be when its unlikely to be straight or flush draws.

Value betting is with a hand that figure to win most of the time when called. Continuation bet is when you bet last round and it looks natural to bet this round. Protecting your hand is generally betting to shut out the draws, even if you are an underdog when you ARE called (imagine turning your hand up and then betting).

- Louie

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My personal definitions:

It's a value bet if it improves your expectation even if all of your opponents reply correctly to it. (Compare with semibluff: -EV if all opponents replied correctly to it, but you believe it to be +EV because opponents fold incorrectly, and pure bluff: pot equity of zero if called.)

Protecting your hand: if you are ahead there always exists some optimal bet size (you don't always know what it is of course) that makes your opponent indifferent between calling and folding. To protect your hand is to bet more than this amount and make him either fold (reducing your variance) or or make an incorrect call (improving your expectation).

Edit: by "ahead" I mean "ahead now even if I am not a favorite to still be ahead on the river."
'Continuation bet' I suppose could mean any situation where the same player bets on two consecutive streets - but I usually think of it only applying to a situation where last round's raiser will bet any card on the next street (or at least will bet his unimproved hand on any blank.) Not a term I use much so I've not given it as much thought as the others.

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the way i see it is that almost every pot u play if ur diong that ur gonna be using like half ur stack to play. u could take HUGE swings if u dont win the pots.

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its No limit...its not a timid game, you are going to take big swings and you are going to lose and win big pots. Unlike limit poker in no limit you have another weapon and that is your stack, you can use this weapon to make good hands fold and weak hands call. You use this weapon to set up an image for yourself and then the beauty of the game comes into play because thats where you use that image to get paid off. Maybe you bet out 3/4 of a pot on a continuation bet when you reraised a couple of rags preflop because you had position, you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar for a big pot on a stone bluff and it costs you your stack. That same showdown that cost you a buy in can end up being worth 3 or 4 times that in misinformation your opponents have. You gotta set em up and then take them out.

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Here are my standards, they may change, but this is pretty much what I do right now:

When first in I make it 3BB. (That is on the low end of the spectrum, but I raise pretty liberally, so I like to keep it cheep.) When raising limpers, I add 1/2 to 1BB per limper depending on table conditions. (With more than 2 or 3 limpers, this kind of goes out the window and I bet based on what I hope to accomplish).

I am in the 2/3-3/4 continuation bet camp. I bet the same whether I hit or not (assuming I am betting when I miss, something I usually do if I was the pfr, but not always, and usually not if I got called in more than 2 places).

On the turn, if I bet, it is usually between 1/2 and 2/3 the pot. If there are draws I don't offer better than 3:1 for the caller, and usually worse than that if there are multiple opponents or multiple draws possible. (If I was bluffing on the flop, I usually give up on the turn, but will occasionally fire a second barrel if I think the opponent is capable of calling the flop with the intention of taking the pot away later.)

On the river there is a lot more variance in my bet size.

Also, position, the board and opponent are huge considerations that can quickly move me from standard bets and lines.