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A former Bush team member during his first administration is now voicing serious doubts about the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9-11. Former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds comments that the official story about the collapse of the WTC is "bogus" and that it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7.

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I almost posted this myself to ask where WTC conspiracy theories would be in 20 years.

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I'm no conspiracy theorist. You'll notice I added no commentary. I read it and thought I'd put it out there for others to discuss. FWIW, I have read several non-conspiracy theory pieces that question some of the simple logistics of what happened that day. While I don't see black helicopters outside my house, I think to overlook anything that questions what happened as a conspiracy theory isn't automatically the right move.

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I think Bush's facial expression when hearing the news of the planes hit will counter a lot of the conspiracy theories.

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Yeah, I agree with you. Im iffy on the 9/11 deal, but Bush's face shows something when he's in that classroom. He looks pissed and surprised, as he didnt expect it.

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I don't believe there's a conspiracy... but if there was, Bush wouldn't have to have been in on it.

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I almost posted this myself to ask where WTC conspiracy theories would be in 20 years.

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I have a sneaking suspicion that in 20 years alot of the conspiracy theories will be debunked in favor of just extreme incompetance on the part of the administration and its agencies. In fact I think that's why alot of the conspiracy theories can seem credible, they were incompetant in their attempts to hide their incompetence, and thus many holes abounded.

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I'm no conspiracy theorist. You'll notice I added no commentary. I read it and thought I'd put it out there for others to discuss. FWIW, I have read several non-conspiracy theory pieces that question some of the simple logistics of what happened that day. While I don't see black helicopters outside my house, I think to overlook anything that questions what happened as a conspiracy theory isn't automatically the right move.

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You want serious comment? OK, it's ridiculous. On so many levels. I really, truly hope that nobody actually believes that this nonsense is even remotely possible.

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Not entirely. Why did NORAD stand down on 9/11? Remember when Bush and Rice said that no one had any idea that someone would fly planes into buildings? Then why was NORAD running hijacking flight simulations the morning of 9/11?

Or the NORAD deal could just be bogus.

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Not entirely. Why did NORAD stand down on 9/11? Remember when Bush and Rice said that no one had any idea that someone would fly planes into buildings? Then why was NORAD running hijacking flight simulations the morning of 9/11?

Or the NORAD deal could just be bogus.

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Stop.

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What about the Northwoods document? What is your repsonse to that, turn away your head?

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I love conspiracy theories!

The government pulled all this off without a hitch. This is the same government who:

Couldn’t fly 5 helicopters into Iran without two of the running into each other.

Can’t manage to get the DC government running well

Can’t respond to a simple Freedom of information act without taking 6 month

Couldn’t stop one nut job from landing on the White house lawn

Dredges the wrong channel in the Chesapeake Bay

Spends $58,000 on a coffee maker

And yet they coordinated 9/11 to the minute, had no errors, and no one blabbed to the press.

Yeah right.
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Here's my response.

I saw two passenger planes crash into the WTC.

There were hundreds of ordinary people on those planes.

Another passenger plane crashed into the Pentagon.

Another went down in a field in Pennsylvania.

There was an extensive scientific analysis done of the collapse of the World Trade Center. I believe it was on Nova on PBS. Why don't you go get yourself a copy.

If you think that anyone -- ANYONE -- in our government, in the Port Authority (owner of the WTC property), or any other American was involved in some conspiracy somehow to crash those planes or take down the trade center, you're out of your F'n mind.

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If you think that anyone -- ANYONE -- in our government, in the Port Authority (owner of the WTC property), or any other American was involved in some conspiracy somehow to crash those planes or take down the trade center, you're out of your F'n mind.


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For the record... the US government has suggested things as atrocious before. I believe it was called "the Northwoods Project" or something like that, where the US government had a proposal to start a war with Cuba by committing an act of terrorism (like blowing up a commercial airliner) and then blaming it on Cuba.

Also the infamous Tuskagee experiment.

I'm not saying 9/11 was a US based conspiracy, but one should always be aware that its not inconceivable for such conspiracies to take place.

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Not entirely. Why did NORAD stand down on 9/11? Remember when Bush and Rice said that no one had any idea that someone would fly planes into buildings? Then why was NORAD running hijacking flight simulations the morning of 9/11?

Or the NORAD deal could just be bogus.

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You deserve a slow horrible death, followed by an eternity in hell.

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I think Bush's facial expression when hearing the news of the planes hit will counter a lot of the conspiracy theories.

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Ummm that wouldn't hold up in the court if ever this issue did come to a national level. Do you think it's outside the realm of possibilities that if the elite did put on 9/11 that they would have Bush trained to act surprised because they'd know he was going to be on television at that time? And, Bush being the pResident and all, wouldn't you agree that he'd have the best training in this country for his television acting debut?

Keep in mind that in order to be a good president, you have to be a good leader... and a good actor. How else can you lie to 300 million people and get away with it? - like many presidents have done.

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I'm no conspiracy theorist. You'll notice I added no commentary. I read it and thought I'd put it out there for others to discuss. FWIW, I have read several non-conspiracy theory pieces that question some of the simple logistics of what happened that day. While I don't see black helicopters outside my house, I think to overlook anything that questions what happened as a conspiracy theory isn't automatically the right move.

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You want serious comment? OK, it's ridiculous. On so many levels. I really, truly hope that nobody actually believes that this nonsense is even remotely possible.

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The easiest way to settle this debate is for you all of who completely disagree with this conspiracy idea to spent $20 and buy this video.

It might be the best $20 you'll ever spend, and I GUARANTEE that 95% of the people who watch it will believe it by the end; hell, even after the first 30 mins. The evidence is incredible.

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Here's my response.

I saw two passenger planes crash into the WTC.

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Other witnesses just like you saw "big, grey planes" "without windows."

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There were hundreds of ordinary people on those planes.

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Yes, ordinary people did die because of 9/11.

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Another passenger plane crashed into the Pentagon.

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I would bet my whole bankroll that it was a missile. Do some research for yourself.

Here's a pic of the Pentagon where the plane supposevedly punched a hole in the inner wall. Where's the plane? Its just one of hundreds of pieces of evidence.

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Another went down in a field in Pennsylvania.

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Go here and watch the short video of the Pennsylvania crash site. Ask yourself if that looks like a plane or a plane crash, or even a hole that a commercial airliner could make.

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There was an extensive scientific analysis done of the collapse of the World Trade Center. I believe it was on Nova on PBS. Why don't you go get yourself a copy.


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Why don't you buy "9/11 in Plane Site"? It will have a lot more evidence that your PBS documentary never addressed.

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If you think that anyone -- ANYONE -- in our government, in the Port Authority (owner of the WTC property), or any other American was involved in some conspiracy somehow to crash those planes or take down the trade center, you're out of your F'n mind.

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I guess I'm out of my F'n mind.

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this is [censored] up man.

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Did everybody forget about this or did I single-handedly end this thread? Sad, I was hoping for discussion.

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did they ever find the black boxes?

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If I remember correctly, no.

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niss

I was in the World Trade Center when the planes hit on September 11 (I worked there for 17 consecutive years). After the initial attack, I made it to the lobby of the south tower and, when the second plane hit, I was frantically searching for an exit amidst the bedlum (i.e. other than the exits that were blocked by plane wreckage or the bodies of people diving from the North Tower).

I was also in the WTC when the terrorist bomb exploded in the WTC parking garage in 1993.

And, for what it's worth, I can personally attest to the fact that there a enormous/amazing difference between a building that was hit by a commercial jet and a building that was wired for demolition. There is absolutely no way that anyone in the Trade Center during each of those events (1993 and 2001)would observe any physical similarity between the blasts (based on the dissimilarity between the initial blasts and the subseqnet structural effects.)

The commercial air craft did 100% of the damage to the WTC on September 11. It was completely obvious to all who were in the building at the time...as well as those who were in the local environment (not to mention those who watched on television). (BTW, when I finally got out of the building, I ran like a baby all the way to China Town...just in time.)

Many/some people defend/applaud history revisionists on the grounds that we occasionally lack eye witnesses, video, etc...to certain past events; thus suggesting that revisions are in order. These revisionist-mongers believe that factual aspects of certaint events become clearer over time...occasionally diametrically altering the initial perspective to a significant degree. I won't dispute there general agenda (here), but in this case, we have physical evidece, eye witnesses, motive, confessions, common sense...all pointing in one direction. Foreign terrorists attacked the WTC, not the US government.

BTW, God Bless America....and God Damn the Terrorists!

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Well obviously two planes did hit the towers and cause significant damage. That's not to argue. But there is significant evidence that that's not the only thing that happened. There is a video testinmony by the owner of the WTC where he says, and I quote "...we made the decision to pull it." That means he made the decision to demolish the building (I can't remember which one.) It is fact that he said this. It's on the internet somewhere I'm sure, but I know it's on the video 911 in Plane Site.

Just think about that for awhile. Then couple that with the multiple testimonies of "bombs" and "explosions,", insurance policies taken out on the WTC right before 9/11, then watch the collapses and make up your own mind. If you still don't believe, watch 9/11 in Plane Site.

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By the way, I'm very sorry you had to be there and witness it all.

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This whole thread demonstrates the delusions of the lefties here.

What does some economist know about buildings or national security?

You guys will believe any old kook as long as it fits your anti-Bush ("Bush is Evil") template.

That is just sad, sad, sad.

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aren't they suppose to be indestructable?


I also want to add, that I have a hard time believing all of this. 9/11 was a sad sad day, and to think that our government may have been involved seems so far fetched, but I am gonna give that tape a view.

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This whole thread demonstrates the delusions of the lefties here.

What does some economist know about buildings or national security?

You guys will believe any old kook as long as it fits your anti-Bush ("Bush is Evil") template.

That is just sad, sad, sad.

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This has nothing to do with right/left, conservative/republican. Nice try.

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aren't they suppose to be indestructable?


I also want to add, that I have a hard time believing all of this. 9/11 was a sad sad day, and to think that our government may have been involved seems so far fetched, but I am gonna give that tape a view.

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It's a good idea. I'm glad you respected my opinion. It'll at least be entertaining to watch. BTW, I found a copy on Ebay for $6 a while ago, you can try to find that.

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This whole thread demonstrates the delusions of the lefties here.

What does some economist know about buildings or national security?

You guys will believe any old kook as long as it fits your anti-Bush ("Bush is Evil") template.

That is just sad, sad, sad.

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This has nothing to do with right/left, conservative/republican. Nice try.

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The title of this thread is: "Former Bush Team Member Questions WTC Collapse" suggesting a Bush administration conspiracy of silence. So, yes, the "Bush is Evil" template is very much in play here.

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that website you linked has a free bitorrent of the movie. It will take a while to download, but hey, I don't want to pay for this crap.


I think 9/11 is one of those events that most Americans don't want to question and investigate beyond, who did it. Its painful to reflect on that day. My cousin went to 30 funerals in 30 days following 9/11. Its that type of emotion which makes this so hard.

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This whole thread demonstrates the delusions of the lefties here.

What does some economist know about buildings or national security?

You guys will believe any old kook as long as it fits your anti-Bush ("Bush is Evil") template.

That is just sad, sad, sad.

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This has nothing to do with right/left, conservative/republican. Nice try.

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The title of this thread is: "Former Bush Team Member Questions WTC Collapse" suggesting a Bush administration conspiracy of silence. So, yes, the "Bush is Evil" template is very much in play here.

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It's a government conspiracy of silence. Since Bush is in office, you can say it's a Bush conspiracy if you want. I But if you read the posts, nobody's bashing Bush.

On a side note, I think this country did need to go to war - therefore I think something like 9/11 would have happened even if Bush didn't win the 2000 election.

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that website you linked has a free bitorrent of the movie. It will take a while to download, but hey, I don't want to pay for this crap.


I think 9/11 is one of those events that most Americans don't want to question and investigate beyond, who did it. Its painful to reflect on that day. My cousin went to 30 funerals in 30 days following 9/11. Its that type of emotion which makes this so hard.

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Wow, that's a lot of grieving. Well I'm glad you approach this with an open mind. Most people immediately disregard it as bogus without looking at the evidence. It's a hard thing to comprehend, mentally and emotionally. I hope everybody here downloads that bittorant and approaches it with an open mind. (It gets reeeal good when it shows the pictures of the Pentagon BEFORE the collapse. Those pictures should be enough to convince anybody.)

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I'll be gone for the night, but open for discussion later on during some intense 4-tabling.

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The title of this thread is: "Former Bush Team Member Questions WTC Collapse" suggesting a Bush administration conspiracy of silence. So, yes, the "Bush is Evil" template is very much in play here.


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I titled the thread and I voted for Bush. I have no Bush-bashing agenda, although I admit I'm not a huge fan. The title reflected that someone working under the leader of the free world (Bush) has questioned 9/11, and is saying something polar to what Bush has said. No more, no less.

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Not entirely. Why did NORAD stand down on 9/11? Remember when Bush and Rice said that no one had any idea that someone would fly planes into buildings? Then why was NORAD running hijacking flight simulations the morning of 9/11?

Or the NORAD deal could just be bogus.

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I'm having trouble following your logic. I'll take off my aluminum beanie that keeps the CIA from reading my brainwaves and see if that helps.

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I love conspiracy theories!

The government pulled all this off without a hitch. This is the same government who:

Couldn’t fly 5 helicopters into Iran without two of the running into each other.

Can’t manage to get the DC government running well

Can’t respond to a simple Freedom of information act without taking 6 month

Couldn’t stop one nut job from landing on the White house lawn

Dredges the wrong channel in the Chesapeake Bay

Spends $58,000 on a coffee maker

And yet they coordinated 9/11 to the minute, had no errors, and no one blabbed to the press.

Yeah right.
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Seriously, are you retarded? This is what your saying:

This is far to complicated a mission to pull of successfully by the world's most powerful and intelligent government. It would definitely take the likes of a bunch of disorganized cave-dwelling camel-jockeys on the other side of the globe to pull off something of this magnitude.

It never ceases to amaze me just how stupid the majority of people in this world are.

And by the way, the "press" tell us exactly what government and corporation want us to hear. Now go back to doing what you're told to do, buy, watch, wear, etc...

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they would have Bush trained to act surprised

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Why would they train him to look scared shitless?

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they would have Bush trained to act surprised

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Why would they train him to look scared shitless?

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Durrr think about it. 9/11 was put on to scare the people into war. Thousands die, a symbol of America falls to the ground... our President's even scared!

BTW, how would you expect them to train him?

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I love conspiracy theories!

The government pulled all this off without a hitch. This is the same government who:

Couldn’t fly 5 helicopters into Iran without two of the running into each other.

Can’t manage to get the DC government running well

Can’t respond to a simple Freedom of information act without taking 6 month

Couldn’t stop one nut job from landing on the White house lawn

Dredges the wrong channel in the Chesapeake Bay

Spends $58,000 on a coffee maker

And yet they coordinated 9/11 to the minute, had no errors, and no one blabbed to the press.

Yeah right.
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Seriously, are you retarded? This is what your saying:

This is far to complicated a mission to pull of successfully by the world's most powerful and intelligent government. It would definitely take the likes of a bunch of disorganized cave-dwelling camel-jockeys on the other side of the globe to pull off something of this magnitude.

It never ceases to amaze me just how stupid the majority of people in this world are.

And by the way, the "press" tell us exactly what government and corporation want us to hear. Now go back to doing what you're told to do, buy, watch, wear, etc...

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Well said. I thought I was the only 2+2er who knew all this. It makes it clear why Governor Arnold said "95% of the people need to be told what to do."