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BruinEric 06-12-2005 02:25 AM

LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
ARTICLE LINK HERE


Poker 'Bots' Are Upping the Ante Against E-Casinos
# The opponent in the online card game might be a computer. 'Bots' are beatable because they miss human nuances, but they're learning.

By Joseph Menn , Times Staff Writer, Times Staff Writer

Of the millions of gamblers who have rushed to play Texas Hold 'Em and other fast-growing poker games online, Roger Gabriel isn't the most intimidating.

The 30-year-old Newport Beach engineer started playing for money only a month ago. He lurks online at the tables for the chicken-hearted; even there, where the biggest ante is 4 cents, he can't win consistently.

But Gabriel has a potentially powerful alter ego. In his spare time, he's perfecting a computer program to go online and play the game for him.

His BlackShark software is still a work in progress, but Gabriel has no doubt that such programs eventually will be championship quality. "In the future," he said, "robots are going to take over."

Gabriel is one of an increasing number of computer professionals who design poker robots, or "bots," that pose as human gamblers but can play endlessly without tiring or losing concentration — for real money.

Though not yet good enough to beat skilled humans consistently, these programs are seen as a threat by online casinos — all based outside of the U.S. and out of the reach of American laws — and the gamblers who spend billions of dollars chasing big pots.

"There are already lots of robots playing online, and that's definitely unethical. They should identify themselves," said Paul Magriel, a veteran professional poker player.

The march of the machines will be celebrated in Las Vegas next month with the world's first money tournament for robots — and the $100,000 prize is drawing a handful of coders out of anonymity.

The emerging technology does more than raise the stakes for real people and online casinos. It also raises fundamental questions about how far computers have come in mimicking and improving on human behavior, and about how far they can go in the future.

Computer programs have conquered checkers, chess and, most recently, backgammon. By rapidly evaluating plays more moves ahead than a person can, computers routinely beat the strongest human players in those games.

This was demonstrated most dramatically in the classic 1997 match between world chess champion Garry Kasparov and Deep Blue, a 1.4-ton supercomputer built by IBM. The machine's victory marked Kasparov's first professional loss, and many took it as a depressing event for mankind. Even Gabriel, then studying artificial intelligence at UC Irvine, had been rooting for Kasparov.

Backgammon programs, which had to adapt to the random element of dice, grew so good by the late 1990s that they changed strategic wisdom built up over 2,000 years, influencing how the best humans play the game.

But poker — popularized recently by televised tournaments for pros and celebrity amateurs — is a far more human game, one in which psychology matters as much as probability.

That's why in poker there's no such thing as an absolutely correct play, except in retrospect. If someone, or something, bets heavily with a lousy hand and everyone else folds, that was the right bet.

This makes poker bot design fascinating to academics like Jonathan Schaeffer, a computing science professor at the University of Alberta in Edmonton who for 14 years has headed a project to build poker programs.

Schaeffer said cards were more likely than chess to produce computing approaches useful in the real world because poker players must deal with incomplete information. But before such research can contribute dramatically to solving real-world problems, Schaeffer said, it has to solve the challenge of poker — and that's several years away.

For now, only the poker players with the poorest skills — people like Gabriel, for instance — have much to fear.

Typically, a user signs on to an online game site manually, launches the poker bot and lets it run. Gabriel's BlackShark, for example, displays a window on his computer that collects information from the poker site and then calculates odds before making a bet.

Like most of his peers, Gabriel, who is working five nights a week to get BlackShark ready for the Las Vegas tournament, is an engineer first and a poker player second. He said his poor game skills are his biggest handicap.

"The hard part is: What if I've got two 10s? What am I going to do?" As he scans poker books for strategy tips, Gabriel is laboring to add an enormous set of rules telling the machine what to do with different cards and how to react to the frequency with which other players fold, call and raise.

Other robot designers, such as Ken Mages of Evanston, Ill., are further along. But though their electronic progeny may win at small-stakes tables, they usually fall apart when the human competition is stiffer.

After two weeks of programming, Mages said, "I could sit down at a 50-cent table, put 50 bucks in the account, go to bed and wake up with at least $75." The most Mages said he won that way was $250; he never lost.

For two weeks this May, Mages sold his software for $60 a copy. After getting deluged with customer pleas for technical help — and a threat by one who gambled away $10,000 to send him the bill — Mages sold out to a business associate, Hong Kong engineer Ben Lo.

Mages then struck a deal with Los Angeles public relations executive Darren Shuster to set up the Las Vegas contest — dubbed the World Series of Poker Robots — and just after Memorial Day their partnership convinced Antigua-based GoldenPalace.com to put up the prize money.

Even though GoldenPalace bans robots, the publicity-craving virtual casino was a natural target, having spent $28,000 last fall for a cheese sandwich that was said to bear the image of the Virgin Mary. The sandwich is now on tour.

Organizers have further headline-grabbing gambits in mind: They plan to invite the winner of the human poker World Series to go up against the winner of their robot contest, though no one expects the computer code to triumph — at least, not this year.

Entrants in the robotic-poker tournament so far include Gabriel, Lo, programmers from Florida, Canada and Spain, and Hilton Givens of Lafayette, Ind., who started working on a robot more seriously after he was laid off from his software job.

Most of the confirmed competitors have run their programs on PartyPoker.com, which forbids such activity and confiscates the accounts of those it catches.

The cat-and-mouse game between robots and online game sites is not limited to poker. Whenever any free multi-user computer game gets big enough, cheaters use programs and other means to boost their rankings, collect useful game tools or exact revenge on competitors.

Gabriel, for one, cobbled together an unbeatable Scrabble robot, which he inflicted on Yahoo Games opponents. But the problem is especially acute for sites like PartyPoker, which has a million real-money players registered and so presents a tempting target.

And site parent PartyGaming might soon have to worry about spooked investors as well as spooked players. Gibraltar-based PartyGaming, which reported $350 million in profit last year, is gearing up for a multibillion-dollar initial public offering in London, where Internet gambling is legal. That IPO will be the United Kingdom's largest in at least four years, underscoring investor enthusiasm for the $8-billon online gaming market.

PartyPoker marketing director Vikrant Bhargava said he wasn't pleased to learn that many of the poker bot World Series contestants honed their skills on his site, adding that eventually all such cheats get caught. Other sites don't care whether users are human, he said, because the house takes the same percentage of the pot no matter who's playing. But Bhargava said PartyPoker has 100 employees looking for robots, collusion among players and other scams.

Gaming companies won't disclose all their secrets for sniffing out bots, but some of the techniques are simple. Any person playing three tables simultaneously for 48 hours without a bathroom break, for example, or invariably taking exactly one second to bet, is not a person.

Computer gaming experts said the robots have some major hurdles to overcome before they have a chance against the world's top human beings — especially in multi-player games with no betting limit, where the psychology is most important and the number of possible bets is much larger.

Bluffing can be programmed: For every 100 basically worthless hands, for instance, a machine might be instructed to bet heavily five times.

A far bigger issue is the need for abstract pattern recognition. Computers are much worse than humans at anything vague, said poker pro Magriel, a 58-year-old former math professor and world backgammon champion.

At such tasks, "computers are basically idiots," Magriel said. "A computer has an enormous problem recognizing a face. A baby is better."

The need to recognize patterns comes when anyone new sits down at the table. Good poker players learn from the behavior of their foes and adapt on the fly. Computers can store and process millions of past hands, but they have too little data on each new competitor.

For that reason, Schaeffer's team has been focused for years on improving a program's ability to compete one-on-one and learn from as few as 50 hands. After that, the current version does well for a while, until a strong human opponent figures out its patterns. Then the person starts winning.

Magriel once predicted computers would never master backgammon. Now that he knows different, he thinks a better-than- human poker program is inevitable in two or three decades.

"It was a little depressing in chess and backgammon that computers got so good," he said. "In poker, it won't really depress me. I sort of expect it at some point."

Drunk Bob 06-12-2005 02:33 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
What site has a 4 cent ante? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

BruinEric 06-12-2005 02:36 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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What site has a 4 cent ante? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I'm assuming the author saw a .02/.04 Hold 'em table.

toss 06-12-2005 02:37 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
So these are the scumbags. Big mistake giving out their names.

smartalecc5 06-12-2005 02:40 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
I want to *bleepin* knock the *bleep* out of those god *bleep* stupid programmers who makes those *bleepin* robots. AH!

Drunk Bob 06-12-2005 02:40 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
I play mostly Stud 8 so I would love a site with a 4 cent ante!

BruinEric 06-12-2005 02:49 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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So these are the scumbags. Big mistake giving out their names.

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Hey, they're all going to the big Bot-event in LV! Any poker site with brains in the security dept would take that list of names and close all those accounts and red-flag those IP addresses.

toss 06-12-2005 03:02 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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Any poker site with brains in the security dept

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I'm pretty worried too.

crazy canuck 06-12-2005 03:18 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
So these are the scumbags. Big mistake giving out their names.

Not really, they can just play under their friend's account.

crazy canuck 06-12-2005 03:22 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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Any poker site with brains in the security dept

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I'm pretty worried too.



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No kidding, and this too:

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Other sites don't care whether users are human, he said, because the house takes the same percentage of the pot no matter who's playing. But Bhargava said PartyPoker has 100 employees looking for robots, collusion among players and other scams

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What a bunch of BS. They are probably one of the worst among the bigger sites in this aspect.

mosquito 06-12-2005 03:38 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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I play mostly Stud 8 so I would love a site with a 4 cent ante!

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Absolute .25-.50, .02 ante......

Emperor 06-12-2005 03:58 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
I have heard pacific and crypto allow bots fyi...

toss 06-12-2005 04:16 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
Where did you "hear" this from. I'm going to go out on a limb and say its not a reliable source.

solucky 06-12-2005 04:21 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
Paul is right, but it dont need 2 decades. To many money is involved you will see good bots sooner. Sure the best players will still win but they win lesser and many fish will loose there money faster

BradleyT 06-12-2005 04:30 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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Other robot designers, such as Ken Mages of Evanston, Ill., are further along. But though their electronic progeny may win at small-stakes tables, they usually fall apart when the human competition is stiffer.

After two weeks of programming, Mages said, "I could sit down at a 50-cent table, put 50 bucks in the account, go to bed and wake up with at least $75." The most Mages said he won that way was $250; he never lost.


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This guy is a moron for selling it.

KKbluff 06-12-2005 04:44 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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Hilton Givens of Lafayette, Ind

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If your out there PM me, I live 2 minutes from you and would love to pick your brain.

BradleyT 06-12-2005 04:45 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
http://www.wsopr.com/

Emperor 06-12-2005 04:50 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
2 Different people who have told me they are developing bots mentioned it.

Specifically that their T&C's don't prohibit it, and when they contacted customer support they were told that they had no policy for or against bots.

Which sites did you think the developer was talking about that allowed bots?

Alobar 06-12-2005 06:06 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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PartyPoker marketing director Vikrant Bhargava said he wasn't pleased to learn that many of the poker bot World Series contestants honed their skills on his site, adding that eventually all such cheats get caught. Other sites don't care whether users are human, he said, because the house takes the same percentage of the pot no matter who's playing. But Bhargava said PartyPoker has 100 employees looking for robots, collusion among players and other scams.

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HAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAHA

*wipes tears from eyes* oh man, thats a good one.

Adde 06-12-2005 06:52 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
http://www.wsopr.com/

Strange thing that Golden Palace casino choose to associate with this. If everyday Joe gets scared away from poker by bots, casinos will suffer too.

Adde

KKbluff 06-12-2005 07:12 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
Strange thing that Golden Palace casino choose to associate with this.

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Rah 06-12-2005 07:13 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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Any poker site with brains in the security dept

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I'm pretty worried too.



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No kidding, and this too:

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Other sites don't care whether users are human, he said, because the house takes the same percentage of the pot no matter who's playing. But Bhargava said PartyPoker has 100 employees looking for robots, collusion among players and other scams

[/ QUOTE ]

What a bunch of BS. They are probably one of the worst among the bigger sites in this aspect.

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Not true. Yes, they probably are the site with most bots, but only because they are the most common target for bot makers. I haven't heard of any site who puts more effort into chasing bots (and banning accounts) than Party.

otctrader 06-12-2005 08:10 AM

Best part of the article
 
"Any person playing three tables simultaneously for 48 hours without a bathroom break, for example, or invariably taking exactly one second to bet, is not a person."

jason1990 06-12-2005 09:16 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
What gets me is that the guy building the bot can't even beat the .02/.04 game. Wow.

Suppose some programmer knows nothing about chess but wants to build a chess program. So he hires a grandmaster to advise him and he gets to work. Very soon, the programmer will learn enough about chess to beat complete beginners, won't he? How can this guy spend five nights a week preparing his program for a competition and still be unable to beat .02/.04?

byronkincaid 06-12-2005 09:28 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
I just sent this email

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Golden Palace Management

I can't believe you're sponsoring a group of cheating scum to improve their poker bots. These greedy bastards could ruin online poker for hundreds of thousands of poker enthusiasts like myself and also kill off poker rooms like yours. You should stick to buying cheese sandwiches for your cheap publicity. I and I'm sure many others will never play at your site unless you pull out of this stupid event.


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Uglyowl 06-12-2005 09:28 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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After two weeks of programming, Mages said, "I could sit down at a 50-cent table, put 50 bucks in the account, go to bed and wake up with at least $75." The most Mages said he won that way was $250; he never lost.

For two weeks this May, Mages sold his software for $60 a copy. After getting deluged with customer pleas for technical help — and a threat by one who gambled away $10,000 to send him the bill — Mages sold out to a business associate, Hong Kong engineer Ben Lo.

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Even the best poker player in the world "never loses". What a bunch of lies.

Funny that a bot lost $10,000...hahaha.

Uglyowl 06-12-2005 09:30 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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What gets me is that the guy building the bot can't even beat the .02/.04 game. Wow.

Suppose some programmer knows nothing about chess but wants to build a chess program. So he hires a grandmaster to advise him and he gets to work. Very soon, the programmer will learn enough about chess to beat complete beginners, won't he? How can this guy spend five nights a week preparing his program for a competition and still be unable to beat .02/.04?

[/ QUOTE ]

Great point... there are some very fishy parts to this article.

Adde 06-12-2005 09:52 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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I just sent this email

[ QUOTE ]
Golden Palace Management

I can't believe you're sponsoring a group of cheating scum to improve their poker bots. These greedy bastards could ruin online poker for hundreds of thousands of poker enthusiasts like myself and also kill off poker rooms like yours. You should stick to buying cheese sandwiches for your cheap publicity. I and I'm sure many others will never play at your site unless you pull out of this stupid event.


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Good move. I'll send one too.

BTW, anyone know of a free service where I can create a form with predefined email message and recipient, and then people just have to enter their email to send it?

Adde

Rah 06-12-2005 09:57 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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Even the best poker player in the world "never loses". What a bunch of lies.

Funny that a bot lost $10,000...hahaha.

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The chances of having a losing session drastically decreases when playing marathon sessions with a winning formula.
Also, nowhere is it stated how many times he used his bot - did he use it two times and won both?
Finally, never trust a journalist. Their quoting is somewhat biased.

Adde 06-12-2005 09:59 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
Email template if others want to send an email...

Adde

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To: Golden Palace Management ( admin@GoldenPalace.net )
Subject: Your association with www.wsopr.com

I can't believe you're sponsoring a group of cheating scum to improve their poker bots. These greedy bastards could ruin online poker for hundreds of thousands of poker enthusiasts like myself and also kill off poker rooms like yours. You should stick to buying cheese sandwiches for your cheap publicity. I and I'm sure many others will never play at your site unless you pull out of this stupid event.

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grandgnu 06-12-2005 10:25 AM

The Machines Are Coming, Run For Your Lives!
 
Only one man can save us:

http://www.filmsite.org/posters/termA.jpg

Rev. Good Will 06-12-2005 10:27 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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So these are the scumbags. Big mistake giving out their names.

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I hear that, I say we schedule a zoo trip to their houses. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

lastcoyote 06-12-2005 10:36 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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Email template if others want to send an email...

Adde


Quote:
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To: Golden Palace Management ( admin@GoldenPalace.net )
Subject: Your association with www.wsopr.com

I can't believe you're sponsoring a group of cheating scum to improve their poker bots. These greedy bastards could ruin online poker for hundreds of thousands of poker enthusiasts like myself and also kill off poker rooms like yours. You should stick to buying cheese sandwiches for your cheap publicity. I and I'm sure many others will never play at your site unless you pull out of this stupid event.


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I would send this but they would probably start spamming the sh.it out of me. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

MrBlueNose 06-12-2005 11:12 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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Any poker site with brains in the security dept

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I'm pretty worried too.



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No kidding, and this too:

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Other sites don't care whether users are human, he said, because the house takes the same percentage of the pot no matter who's playing. But Bhargava said PartyPoker has 100 employees looking for robots, collusion among players and other scams

[/ QUOTE ]

What a bunch of BS. They are probably one of the worst among the bigger sites in this aspect.

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually I was impressed by their customer service yesterday. I e-mailed them to let them know I think I spotted a bot playing, and provided hand history numbers etc. 10 minutes later the phone rang, and it was someone from Party Poker to verify the information, and let me know that they had looked into the account and there may be something suspicious, so will monitor it and will let me know once they've decided.

Although perhaps I shoulda kept my mouth shut. The bot had an easily exploitable bug that won me some large pots [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

sexdrugsmoney 06-12-2005 11:15 AM

Re: Could the Tourney be a ruse?
 
I've always been suspicious of Casinos running "BlackJack Tournaments" ... I've always felt it's a relatively cheap ruse to spot card-counters and have their names and faces on Casino file.

GoldenPalace are a strange bunch, on the one hand they buy strange crap off eBay, on the other hand I've heard of cashout problems and even a rumour that they may go belly up sometime soon.

The only angle I can see from this is that GP run a tourney which gives them access to the way these bots work, they can then program their site to counter the bot and even sell that info for a high price to other online vendors for an inflated price.

Ofcourse, this is just a random thought.

Adde 06-12-2005 11:35 AM

Re: Could the Tourney be a ruse?
 
There's a long thread at Winholdem forum, where, among other things, the project manager for the event admits that all contestants have made money online with their bots. Also, funny when he calls them stealth cheaters and gets angry replies.

Adde

OrangeKing 06-12-2005 11:55 AM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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What gets me is that the guy building the bot can't even beat the .02/.04 game. Wow.

Suppose some programmer knows nothing about chess but wants to build a chess program. So he hires a grandmaster to advise him and he gets to work. Very soon, the programmer will learn enough about chess to beat complete beginners, won't he? How can this guy spend five nights a week preparing his program for a competition and still be unable to beat .02/.04?

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Great point... there are some very fishy parts to this article.

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Most of the information about Kasparov/Deep Blue/Chess was incorrect - it wasn't Kasparov's first professional loss, and a world champion hasn't lost a match to a computer program since then - though I have a feeling that "Hydra" will change this pretty soon. But the best computers still get crushed by human players in correspondence chess - they don't make use of having 4 days to think about a move quite as well as humans. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] So they're still far from perfect and have a lot of room for improvement, though they're absolutely unbeatable monsters for even 99% of tournament players.

Bradyams 06-12-2005 12:02 PM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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What gets me is that the guy building the bot can't even beat the .02/.04 game. Wow.

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I found that interesting too. If you can't beat the .02/.04 game then you probably have horrible pre-flop selection. Is he going to tell his bots to play T5s from UTG because it's soooted?

adanthar 06-12-2005 12:04 PM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
If I were a poker pro or a smart programmer who knew that he was playing against mass market bots at 5/10 NL Of The Future (TM), I would do the following:

Step 1: Buy the program
Step 2: Decompile it and try to analyze the source code
Step 3: Find its pattern recognition routine
Step 4: Join the table where the known bot is
Step 5: Play according to a set pattern for 50 hands
Step 6: Dramatically switch your pattern when you get aces
Step 7: Profit

It takes all the difficulty of changing your image against live opponents and reduces it to five seconds. Bravo.

Also,

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That's why in poker there's no such thing as an absolutely correct play, except in retrospect. If someone, or something, bets heavily with a lousy hand and everyone else folds, that was the right bet.

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Oh God I hope the programmers hard at work here follow this mantra.

Sponger15SB 06-12-2005 12:07 PM

Re: LA Times Article 6/12: \"Poker \'Bots\' Are Upping the Ante\"
 
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What gets me is that the guy building the bot can't even beat the .02/.04 game. Wow.

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I found that interesting too. If you can't beat the .02/.04 game then you probably have horrible pre-flop selection. Is he going to tell his bots to play T5s from UTG because it's soooted?

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It wouldn't suprise me if T5s was playable from UTG in a .02-.04 game [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]


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