How crooked is Party Poker? My two cents.
 

I'm playing in their Million dollar tourney yesterday and of about 1900 entries, we're down to about 600. Pays top 220. I'm right on the avg stack and am in first position with pocket A's. Blinds are 200/400 and I raise to 1000 from first position. Table folds all the way around to the bb who calls. Flop comes A, 9, 2. I've got the nuts with trip A's and want to see how much I can extract. I go in for another 1000 and am promptly raised all in by the BB. He has trip 9 at best so I quickly call. He has me covered barely and shows K Q of diamonds. So he now has AKQ of diamonds to my trip A's. Of course he quickly gets runner runner J, 10 to end my run. First what are the chances that he gets the J, 10 to hand me the beat but more importantly, why would he be anywhere near that hand to begin with? If someone raises like that from 1st position, you've GOT to put them on a solid pair or high Ace at least. It's bad enough that he called the raise from his position but to raise all in with AKQ when I obviously had a big hand is laughable. His comment after the runner runner draw was that "he had a feeling". Give me a break. Anyway, this clown proceded to finish 2nd in the event and pocket 117K. Too convenient if you ask me. Somehow, someway, I'm convinced that the winners of these tourneys can somehow be manipulated. There's no way a moron like that makes that play in the first place after 3 hours of building a stack. Any thoughts or was it just another bad beat?

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Good first post.

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Nice first post buddy.

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he bluffed, got lucky.

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I'm playing in their Million dollar tourney yesterday and of about 1900 entries, we're down to about 600. Pays top 220. I'm right on the avg stack and am in first position with pocket A's. Blinds are 200/400 and I raise to 1000 from first position. Table folds all the way around to the bb who calls. Flop comes A, 9, 2. I've got the nuts with trip A's and want to see how much I can extract. I go in for another 1000 and am promptly raised all in by the BB. He has trip 9 at best so I quickly call. He has me covered barely and shows K Q of diamonds. So he now has AKQ of diamonds to my trip A's. Of course he quickly gets runner runner J, 10 to end my run. First what are the chances that he gets the J, 10 to hand me the beat but more importantly, why would he be anywhere near that hand to begin with? If someone raises like that from 1st position, you've GOT to put them on a solid pair or high Ace at least. It's bad enough that he called the raise from his position but to raise all in with AKQ when I obviously had a big hand is laughable. His comment after the runner runner draw was that "he had a feeling". Give me a break. Anyway, this clown proceded to finish 2nd in the event and pocket 117K. Too convenient if you ask me. Somehow, someway, I'm convinced that the winners of these tourneys can somehow be manipulated. There's no way a moron like that makes that play in the first place after 3 hours of building a stack. Any thoughts or was it just another bad beat?

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My guess is you're not taking this too well. Maybe you should stick to your home games, because clearly, online poker is rigged against you.

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I'm playing in their Million dollar tourney yesterday and of about 1900 entries, we're down to about 600. Pays top 220. I'm right on the avg stack and am in first position with pocket A's. Blinds are 200/400 and I raise to 1000 from first position. Table folds all the way around to the bb who calls. Flop comes A, 9, 2. I've got the nuts with trip A's and want to see how much I can extract. I go in for another 1000 and am promptly raised all in by the BB. He has trip 9 at best so I quickly call. He has me covered barely and shows K Q of diamonds. So he now has AKQ of diamonds to my trip A's. Of course he quickly gets runner runner J, 10 to end my run. First what are the chances that he gets the J, 10 to hand me the beat but more importantly, why would he be anywhere near that hand to begin with? If someone raises like that from 1st position, you've GOT to put them on a solid pair or high Ace at least. It's bad enough that he called the raise from his position but to raise all in with AKQ when I obviously had a big hand is laughable. His comment after the runner runner draw was that "he had a feeling". Give me a break. Anyway, this clown proceded to finish 2nd in the event and pocket 117K. Too convenient if you ask me. Somehow, someway, I'm convinced that the winners of these tourneys can somehow be manipulated. There's no way a moron like that makes that play in the first place after 3 hours of building a stack. Any thoughts or was it just another bad beat?

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My guess is you're not taking this too well. Maybe you should stick to your home games, because clearly, online poker is rigged against you.

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Re: How crooked is Party Poker? My two cents.
 

Fold preflop

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alright then, I see I'm getting no sympathy here. How long then until I stop simmering from this moron making a horrible play and winding up with 117K? I thought it'd be gone by today but nope. Had plenty of bad beats but this one smelled. Thanks for allowing me to vent. I feel better already knowing it sounds like par for the course for you guys.

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I take beats personally sometimes too, especially when it costs me potentially thousands... nothing you can do but keep playing [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Would any of you have played the A's differently from that position or was my play ok? We each started the hand with just over 6000 chips. Maybe an all in after the flop but I wanted to extract what I could, certainly wasn't afraid to be called. I wanted the all in so I guess it didn't matter how I got there.

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Would any of you have played the A's differently from that position or was my play ok? We each started the hand with just over 6000 chips. Maybe an all in after the flop but I wanted to extract what I could, certainly wasn't afraid to be called. I wanted the all in so I guess it didn't matter how I got there.

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seriously, just move on to the next post

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According to twodimes, your opponent had a 4.3% of winning the hand on the flop. These things do happen, even live.

It's possible your opponent was a fish who got lucky. He may have just not thought you had an ace and/or you might fold a weak ace, and figured the only way to win the pot was to bluff.

Caling the early position raise preflop was not that bad a play, since he had a suited connector in addition to high cards.

It seems unlikely he cracked the random number generation or was given it. If Party wanted to fix the tournaments, there are less obvious ways to do it.

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why didnt you just turn a fullhouse?? Then you wouldn't have to worry about the straight or flush...

Yes he finished 2nd. Did you even watch him play it out?
 

I watched him from 4 tables to the end. Until the final table I thought he was a great big-stack player. He was huge over everyone else, and he kept putting people to the test over, and over, and over again. Nearly everytime a small to mid stack entered the pot he'd push in over them. They would fold and he would usually show small to mid suited connecters. Then just when someone had enough and played back, he'd have a big hand. It was brilliant and he steamrolled through the field reaching the FT with over 1M when average was about 200K.

He continued this at the FT. The payouts were rising at $10K a spot, and so no one wanted to play back at him. It worked brilliantly till they were down to 4 and he had 1.8M. But then he was unable to back it down a notch. He didn't seem to catch on to the fact that his opponents were now in spots where they had to pick a hand and make a stand. Where his FE was huge for so long, it was now almost non-existent. Yet he still continued to end up all-in with sub-par hands over and over again. Even at the end heads-up he comes over the top of a raise with K8 when by now anyone watching including his opponent would expect him to do just that.



Instead of this ramble, I guess I could have summed it up as such. His entire game was based on putting his opponents to the test preflop for all their chips. He was fairly good at picking hands that were live if he was called, but he definitely seemed to realize that the amount of money involved was causing people to play a whole lot tighter than they normally would. In a $20 buy-in he wouldn't have come close to the final table before he was looked up. Had he been able to tone it down when they got down to 4, and actually play some post-flop poker, he prob would have an extra $100K in his bank account right now.

Party isn't rigged. You got very unlucky against a guy who believed he could push anyone off of any hand.

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If someone raises like that from 1st position, you've GOT to put them on a solid pair or high Ace at least.

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guess he didn't think you were 'solid'

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Your evidence for Party being rigged is that a player who got lucky ended up doing well in the tournament?

Would you have thought it less fishy if a player who kept getting sucked out on went on to get 2nd place?

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No, but a player I knocked out of the tourny in the 1st 10 mins took 6th. I thought that was weird.

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nh.

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No, but a player I knocked out of the tourny in the 1st 10 mins took 6th. I thought that was weird.


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There was a player named Mike who finished 6th. There were also a bunch of other Mikes including one who appeared to bust out in the first 10 minutes. I hate to debunk another PP is fixed theory.

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Would any of you have played the A's differently from that position or was my play ok? We each started the hand with just over 6000 chips. Maybe an all in after the flop but I wanted to extract what I could, certainly wasn't afraid to be called. I wanted the all in so I guess it didn't matter how I got there.

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Your problem is you got too much money in with AA on a A92,r flop. Please refer to my guide for the proper way to play AA.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...mp;o=&vc=1

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Would any of you have played the A's differently from that position or was my play ok? We each started the hand with just over 6000 chips. Maybe an all in after the flop but I wanted to extract what I could, certainly wasn't afraid to be called. I wanted the all in so I guess it didn't matter how I got there.

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Your problem is you got too much money in with AA on a A92,r flop. Please refer to my guide for the proper way to play AA.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...mp;o=&vc=1

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You are a moron.

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If someone raises like that from 1st position, you've GOT to put them on a solid pair or high Ace at least.

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This is exactly why your opponent made this play. Let's say your opponent puts you on AK or AA-TT. On a A92 board, where he holds KQ, you could hold KK-TT 12 ways and AK 6 ways. He has a fairly decent chance to pick up the pot with a raise, especially after you make a weak bet on the flop.

That does not mean your weak bet was wrong. In fact, it worked perfectly and induced a huge bluff with a big longshot. You just got unlucky.

Paul

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Blinds are 200/400 and I raise to 1000 from first position.

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Why only 2.5 times the bb?

I've been sucked out way too many times to slow play my aces in ANY position. I'm usually betting at least 4-5 times the big blind with that hand. Any reason why you bet this amount?

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The short answer to the original post is this:

Your opponent hit a 20:1. It happens. 1 out of 20 times.

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Blinds are 200/400 and I raise to 1000 from first position.

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Why only 2.5 times the bb?

I've been sucked out way too many times to slow play my aces in ANY position. I'm usually betting at least 4-5 times the big blind with that hand. Any reason why you bet this amount?

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This is scared poker.

Why isn't this thread dead. It's really pointless.

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it's not dead because people like you are keeping it alive.

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it's not dead because people like you are keeping it alive.

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People like me? You have no idea. The only reason I responded was because of the previous post which gave IMO really bad advice. People like me. Please.

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I was kidding. I've been posting in this thread all day. I think it's hilarious.

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My buddy flopped Quad Jacks against AA in the WPT in Tunica in January. He lost to a runner-runner Royal flush.

So I'm quite sure that the live games throghout the entire south are totally rigged.

-Scott

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Yeah remember that guy, uh I think Moneymaker is his name... He put Brenes all in with just 2 outs against his AA. He then won the WSOP, so I guess the world series main event is rigged. You know, because they must be in on the conspiracy with Partypoker.
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ITS POKER.

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Oh and another thing. If there is one thing worse than a bad beat post, its a bad beat "online poker is rigged" post.

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No, but a player I knocked out of the tourny in the 1st 10 mins took 6th. I thought that was weird.


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There was a player named Mike who finished 6th. There were also a bunch of other Mikes including one who appeared to bust out in the first 10 minutes. I hate to debunk another PP is fixed theory.

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Maybe he was joking?

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I apologize for the post. Two days and 32 replies later I certainly recognize why it's inappropriate. Obviously I'm new to the site and didn't understand the advanced tone of the threads. At the time thought it was a place to vent and was bitter after what I thought was a questionable play. My post would have been better served to stick to probability and method of play. Thanks to those who took the time to lob a real and helpful answer.

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This also happened to me. EXACT same situation but they guy didn't have a backdoor flushdraw.

I had rockets. Flop comes A 7 2 rainbow. Guy goes all in with KQ suited with no suit that floppled, turn j river 10.

I was a 98.38% favouite.

U know whats even worse. This happened in a ring game. Lost a 400$ pot there.

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Nothing is rigged. You just got very unlucky. 95 times out of 100 in that situation, you win. 5 times you lose.

It goes to prove that a complete boob can win a tournament. Tournaments are very short term luck oriented. For some reason there is a complete resistence to that notion on this forum. There seems to be a general belief that a player must be doing something right to win a tournament. Bullcrap. I've seen players CALL many times throughout a tournament with dogs, and buck the odds every time(or nearly every time). I've seen them do this with average size stacks, after which they are now chip leaders.

Bottom line is, people would not play poker if fish did not get lucky every now and then. This guy got lucky. End of story.

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How can you risk your tournament with AA on a A92 flop?

The correct play is to check call until you no longer have the nuts then check fold.

-Jason

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How many chips did he have? And would you have complained if your aces held? I got a $50 Sportsbook bonus and quickly deposited it on UB to have some fun on that site for a minute instead of my usual Party. I dumped it all my 8th hand. I had 99 on a 353 flop and he outdrew me with 85s with a river two-outer. $50 gone but if i'd doubled up you'd never have heard from me. We see all these fishy plays all the time and only remember the times we lose.

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It was a joke...