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Tonight as I was leaving a NYC club, I overheard the owners/managers nervously calling around to check out a rumor that had been phoned in to them that another club in the city had been raided. Anyone hear anything about this?

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The word is 14 and 72 are closed, and others are shutting as a precaution.

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I was in 72. Raided at 11:30. Players searched, IDed and let go, took about 1.5 hours.
Nothing bigger than red was left on the tables, but I'm guessing the chips are merely souviners.
The officers were for the most part quite civil and nothing bad happened.

Anyone else confirm that a club was hit? Was sat hit?

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I was at 14 when it was raided around 11:00 p.m. Players ID'd and released, employees arrested.

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Well the long-awaited crackdown has begun. That sucks.

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crud - I was gonna go visit some in July with Steve - -

guess it's atlantic city for us now

RB

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Ditto for me. I was at 14th Street. Just got home.

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you guys are gonna have to play every night now when I'm in NYC - otherwise I won't have anything to do at all - LOL

RB

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I was at 14 when it was raided around 11:00 p.m. Players ID'd and released, employees arrested.

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whoa. that's why i've steered clear for a few months. was it a calm scene or did it get hectic?

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Was 72 players?

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Just tried 72nd (Players Club - I hadn't known about the raid, obviously) where I was greeted by a cop. I assured him I was not an employee and was on my way. Called Ace Point on e. side and got no answer.

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I was at 14 when it was raided around 11:00 p.m. Players ID'd and released, employees arrested.

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whoa. that's why i've steered clear for a few months. was it a calm scene or did it get hectic?

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Hectic only for a few seconds when the cops first burst in. I was in the back room, and the first thing I saw and heard was a crowd of 30 people running into the room and someone yelling something about "He's got a gun!" Once I saw it was the police I relaxed instantly, and after that the place was like the waiting room at the DMV.

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every employee present was arrested? has 14 ever been raided before?

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every employee present was arrested?

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I can't say who was arrested, but the employees and dealers were all in cuffs when I left.

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has 14 ever been raided before?

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Not to my knowledge.

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It has begun.

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F[/i]uck.

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Drove by 14 in the late evening (around 12:30) there were about 7 undercover cop cars double parked outside and guys in NYPD jackets standing by the entrance...pooping on the party...

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I was playing at 14th st. They searched us, took our photographs, and checked our ID. One player who didn't have ID got arrested. About 20 employees got arrested.

I had $650 on the table. After I was initially searched, I tried stuffing my green chips into my wallet. After 2 hours they started letting people go. They said "If you take chips with you, YOU WILL GET LOCKED UP." So I got rid of the chips. Then they just let me walk out. I could have kept them.

gg playstation.

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This Blog details what took place during the Brooklyn raid earlier this year. Everyone got off, all charges were dropped and (oddly) they re-opened again shortly.

What concerns me is described in the article, the police's possession of all computers, and therefore the identification of the players who attend the games. Does anyone from back in the Mayfair/Diamond Club days know if there were any resulting IRS complications for the players?

Sorry for those of you who were at the clubs when it took place, I was planning on heading over to 14th street but my back hurt so I decided to go home instead. First time I've ever considered back pain to be lucky. Brian - I hope this doesn't affect your career in any way shape or form, I am mostly concerned for your well being right now.


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I had $650 on the table. After I was initially searched, I tried stuffing my green chips into my wallet.

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Did they make logs of the chips that each player had? I would assume it will be impossible to recover the lost funds. That sucks.

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Did they make logs of the chips that each player had? I would assume it will be impossible to recover the lost funds. That sucks.


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No, they were pretty clear that we should leave the chips on the table and not touch them or bring them with us. I assume my money is gone.

Some guys in the 5/10 NL had $5000+ on the table.

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What concerns me is described in the article, the police's possession of all computers, and therefore the identification of the players who attend the games. Does anyone from back in the Mayfair/Diamond Club days know if there were any resulting IRS complications for the players?


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I never understood why they kept so many records on their players anyhow. you think they'd want to keep it all untraceable, and anonymous.

Sorry for all involved.

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Players do not violate NY law by playing.

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But still, there are various tax issues, and it's probably not the best thing to leak out about people. I'm sure there are some employers, etc that would frown on illegal gambling.

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Players do not violate NY law by playing.

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Yes, my understanding is that it is not illegal to "place a wager."

At the playstation only one player got arrested, and that was because he didn't have ID.

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Players do not violate NY law by playing.

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I am not an attorney, however this is the only section that pertains to players : ( another link)

S 240.35 Loitering.

A person is guilty of loitering when he:
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2. Loiters or remains in a public place for the purpose of gambling
with cards, dice or other gambling paraphernalia;
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Loitering is a violation

[[Substantial doubt about the constitutionality of Sec. 240.35(2) was expressed in People v. Melton, 578 N.Y.S.2d 377, 152 Misc.2d 649 (N.Y.Sup., 1991) on the basis that mere gambling as a player is not a crime in New York, and thus the attempt to criminalize the gathering for the purpose of gambling is improper. To the same effect, see also People v. Davidson, 696 N.Y.S.2d 640 (N.Y.Sup., 1999)]]


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One player who didn't have ID got arrested.

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For what???

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Players do not violate NY law by playing.

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I am not an attorney, however this is the only section that pertains to players : ( another link)

S 240.35 Loitering.

A person is guilty of loitering when he:
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2. Loiters or remains in a public place for the purpose of gambling
with cards, dice or other gambling paraphernalia;
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Loitering is a violation

[[Substantial doubt about the constitutionality of Sec. 240.35(2) was expressed in People v. Melton, 578 N.Y.S.2d 377, 152 Misc.2d 649 (N.Y.Sup., 1991) on the basis that mere gambling as a player is not a crime in New York, and thus the attempt to criminalize the gathering for the purpose of gambling is improper. To the same effect, see also People v. Davidson, 696 N.Y.S.2d 640 (N.Y.Sup., 1999)]]


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But you play one on 2+2... the next week (and more) should be very interesting for NY poker... it looks like I am going to have get off my ass and start traveling to NJ and CT.

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I am surprised it took this long to happen. Nice while it lasted.

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One player who didn't have ID got arrested.

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For what???

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It's illegal not to carry ID.

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One player who didn't have ID got arrested.

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For what???

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It's illegal not to carry ID.

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Is this really true? I heard this once, repeated it later and was told it's not true.

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I don't know whether it's illegal not to carry ID, but if you're present when a raid occurs and can't identify yourself the police certainly can detain you.

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phew...
i was at the PS playing 1-2NL. i busted out early and left at 10pm. i'm never happy to lose in poker but for once, boy, am i glad that happened... craziness. didn't have my PS ID either, so i could have been one of those players who got cuffed... sucks though. i am gonna miss that place... maybe its a good thing. i live way too close to it...

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I don't know whether it's illegal not to carry ID, but if you're present when a raid occurs and can't identify yourself the police certainly can detain you.

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A person can be arrested and held with no charge if no ID is found, if there was suspected criminal activity. Technically the police can hold the individual until a positive ID is made.

Bezos: I doubt a PS ID would be considered valid by the police.

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Once again, our Homeland Security tax dollars at rest.

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F[/i]uck.

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b/f i read the rest of this thread i would like to repeat RM's thought....

[censored]!!!!!

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I don't know whether it's illegal not to carry ID, but if you're present when a raid occurs and can't identify yourself the police certainly can detain you.

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A person can be arrested and held with no charge if no ID is found, if there was suspected criminal activity. Technically the police can hold the individual until a positive ID is made.

Bezos: I doubt a PS ID would be considered valid by the police.

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Technically the police can hold you for 24 hours regardless of whether are not you have an ID. My assumption is that IDs were checked so that the police could check whether there were outstanding warrants against any of them and to make sure they were not people that were otherwise known to be employees or owners of the club... if someone didn't have an ID it was possible that they were trying to hide their identity, so the police could take them in and check them out... my assumption is that the player without ID was released quickly (assuming he wasn't a wanted criminal).

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this is probably true... in all the excitement of this crazy news, i wasnt reading too closely. i did have proper ID, so i guess it would have been all good, but i lucked out and missed the whole debacle...

i wonder what sort of implications this will have for nyc cash game players. do you think there will me a massive amount of home games popping up all over the 5 burroughs? will people hole up in their homes playing online or mass exodus to foxwooods and AC on the weekends?

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Felony dirtbagness. Who doesn't carry ID? Only dirtbags.

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Felony dirtbagness. Who doesn't carry ID? Only dirtbags.

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PS was chock full of dirtbags.