Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?
 

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>,

Thoughts?

Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?
 

What hands do you want to fold exactly? A9? Q9? Nope. This is not a cleaning up outs situation. KJ, J8?

I think the raise can be for equity.

Krishan

Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?
 

I think AQs a good enough hand to 3 bet here for equity pre-flop. But the call is also fine.

the flop I like a call better.

Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?
 

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What hands do you want to fold exactly? A9? Q9? Nope. This is not a cleaning up outs situation. KJ, J8?

I think the raise can be for equity.

Krishan

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I was thinking more of AK or AQ hands.

Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?
 

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What hands do you want to fold exactly? A9? Q9? Nope. Krishan

[/ QUOTE ]if these hands fold, you will not have cleaned up any outs...
if you think MP will muck 22-88, AK, then i like the raise as there is a good chance you have the sb beat aleady... if not, you are often the favorite.

Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?
 

I like the raise on the flop. Gives you a chance for a free card on the turn and fattens the pot for when you hit one of your many outs. Maybe consider a reraise preflop.

Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?
 

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I was thinking more of AK or AQ hands.

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Makes more sense. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Krishan

Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?
 

There's no downside to raising here, you have enough equity against the SB and MP folding is great for you if he has AK or even a small pair.

Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?
 

3bet preflop

Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?
 

You also have to take into account the chance of winning without a showdown. Raising greatly increases this likelihood.

Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?
 

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3bet preflop

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I also like a flop raise given your line.

Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?
 

Neither. It's a value raise. You are favorite against a 9 or any pocket pair except AA-QQ which SB will almost never have here. Getting MP to fold a possible AK is nice, but his pre-flop raising range is likely to be very wide and AK is just one possibility. More likely have you have dominated, which is why you need to be 3-betting this pre-flop most of the time.