2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your hand
 

Sorry couldn't get the converter to work.
6 handed.
I don't understand how you thought your hand could be good! It's great for me that you guys keep calling down with A high in this situation but I think it is bad poker at this level and this state of the game. 5 months ago maybe but adjust man.
2+2 : Post Small Blind ($20)
xxxx : Post Big Blind ($40)
Dealing...
other 2+2: Raise ($80)
2+2: Call ($60)
*** FLOP *** : [ Jh 6h Js ]
: Check
: Bet ($40)
: Raise ($80)
: Call ($40)
*** TURN *** : [ Jh 6h Js ] [ Ts ]
: Bet ($80)
: Call ($80)
*** RIVER *** : [ Jh 6h Js Ts ] [ 2h ]
: Bet ($80)
: Call ($80)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $678 |
Board: [ Jh 6h Js Ts 2h ]

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

Why post this?

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

GOD I hate stupid people like you. Just go away... or learn how to write english so other people actually understand it. You write as though you are talking to someone. Idiot. So annoying. Die now. Get hit by a bus.

Blackjack

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your hand
 

Maybe he figured the flop check raise was really suspicious. I'd think that if the sb were on a heart draw, he'd lead, since a check-raise really accomplishes nothing. If he had a jack, he'd probably would have raised the turn for value. Just my opinion.

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your hand
 

note to hogger:

a) there may be more than you see.
b) just because you are a member of 2p2 does not mean you (the general you) play well.
c) who cares?

-Barron

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

"my 3 year old new your hand"

Does your 3 year old know that you failed 3rd grade English?

An ignorant post, even by my standards . . .

TSP

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

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does your 3 year old know that you failed 3rd grade English?

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Know, he doesn't no.

-ActionBob

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your hand
 

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note to hogger:

a) there may be more than you see.
b) just because you are a member of 2p2 does not mean you (the general you) play well.
c) who cares?

-Barron

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a - It seemed obvious to me that you had a hand Barron!
b - Well both of you seem to play well by your posts.
c - I care because I thought I was missing something since he is so highly respected by the poker community!

Sorry for the terrible grammer in the original post. I was playing 4 short games at once and was in a rush. Won't happen again.
Thanks Mike

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your hand
 

This post is about as useful as a poopy flavored lollypop.

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your hand
 

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note to hogger:

a) there may be more than you see.
b) just because you are a member of 2p2 does not mean you (the general you) play well.
c) who cares?

-Barron

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a - It seemed obvious to me that you had a hand Barron!
b - Well both of you seem to play well by your posts.
c - I care because I thought I was missing something since he is so highly respected by the poker community!

Sorry for the terrible grammer in the original post. I was playing 4 short games at once and was in a rush. Won't happen again.
Thanks Mike

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ok now im curious...can you state the whole hand IN ENGLISH w/ the hands shown at showdown...its not ringing a bell

-Barron

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

I pity the 160 odd posts of yours that people have had to read...

-SmileyEH

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

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GOD I hate stupid people like you. Just go away... or learn how to write english so other people actually understand it. You write as though you are talking to someone. Idiot. So annoying. Die now. Get hit by a bus.

Blackjack

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Post of the day.

OH NOW i remember...and here\'s what happened....
 

ok i know exactly what happened here.

i made a horrible sb call vs. james CO raise. i had 7c6c and called james open raise in the SMALL BLIND not the bb. not a typical call and definately a big mistake.

i flopped a pair on a very safe board for me. JJ6. now there is no way in hell james can see me calling with 76cc.

but hogger, you do have to know my style here to understand any of this hand. i checkraise ALOT...and to get away with that style of play i have to do a few things

1) check raise w/ marginal hands.
2) check raise from the blinds with good hands/draws.
3) check raise and bet/3bet turns w/ monsters AND good draws when i think the extra bets will win me a hand a great deal of the time for a bet on the river (rare)

so you see, just because i checkraise, doesn't MEAN i have a hand. i checkraise james like its my effing day job...we've played tens of thousands of hands together and we have a long long history together. he probably had some big ace (i know he had at least an ace)

but what could i have on that flop...a small pair? a jack? a bluff? thats about it...but at that point its hard to say.

i think its almost impossible for him to put me squarely on any 6 but A6s which i'd likely 3 bet (EDIT: after further discussion ATo is my min 3bet hand to james co raise)with him and i'd probably 3 bet most of the pairs i'd c'r with although until we had a discussion i was calling small pairs in the sb and c'ring favorable flops. in fact, had i called 44 here i'd have played it the same way.

but because of the TEXTURE of the flop and the history we have together, this hand warranted an ace high call down.

sometimes Q high should call...

you are mising a lot by taking 1 hand 2 players who have a history play against each other and not ASKING what is going on. since we both play under our names its clear its public domain you can state Dcifrthis calls sb when James282 raises in the CO. you have my permission to post any hand you see me play.

-Barron

Re: OH NOW i remember...and here\'s what happened....
 

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ok i know exactly what happened here.

i made a horrible sb call vs. james CO raise. i had 7c6c and called james open raise in the SMALL BLIND not the bb. not a typical call and definately a big mistake.

i flopped a pair on a very safe board for me. JJ6. now there is no way in hell james can see me calling with 76cc.

but hogger, you do have to know my style here to understand any of this hand. i checkraise ALOT...and to get away with that style of play i have to do a few things

1) check raise w/ marginal hands.
2) check raise from the blinds with good hands/draws.
3) check raise and bet/3bet turns w/ monsters AND good draws when i think the extra bets will win me a hand a great deal of the time for a bet on the river (rare)

so you see, just because i checkraise, doesn't MEAN i have a hand. i checkraise james like its my effing day job...we've played tens of thousands of hands together and we have a long long history together. he probably had some big ace (i know he had at least an ace)

but what could i have on that flop...a small pair? a jack? a bluff? thats about it...but at that point its hard to say.

i think its almost impossible for him to put me squarely on any 6 but A6s which i'd likely 3 bet (EDIT: after further discussion ATo is my min 3bet hand to james co raise)with him and i'd probably 3 bet most of the pairs i'd c'r with although until we had a discussion i was calling small pairs in the sb and c'ring favorable flops. in fact, had i called 44 here i'd have played it the same way.

but because of the TEXTURE of the flop and the history we have together, this hand warranted an ace high call down.

sometimes Q high should call...

you are mising a lot by taking 1 hand 2 players who have a history play against each other and not ASKING what is going on. since we both play under our names its clear its public domain you can state Dcifrthis calls sb when James282 raises in the CO. you have my permission to post any hand you see me play.

-Barron

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Thanks for the permission. I didn't want to give the names without it.
I don't know your history with James but I have played allot with both of you.
The only hand he beats is a complete bluff since the flush got there.
My point was since we all know AQ is a call down on the end; shouldn't that make it a fold? FOR NOW.
There is allot of meta game here that we could discuss but as the hand was being played it seemed obvious that you knew he was calling you down with A high. (he should know you know that). This makes it a fold IMO!

P.S.
76 suited is not a horrible call if the guy will pay you off with A high with no resistance!

Re: OH NOW i remember...and here\'s what happened....
 

I think you're overexaggerating how bad your SB call was. I agree you shouldn't do it every time, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as you think it is.

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

Here is a hand that James and I played together. If you were watching us, you'd think we're both fish. However, allow me to provide some commentary between the action (P.S. now that I look at the HH, AWFUL game man our game selection sucks).

dcifrths: posts small blind $25
james282: posts big blind $50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to schneids [Jd Ac]
J_V: folds
xxxxx: folds
schneids: raises $100
xxxxx: folds
xxxxx: folds
xxxxx: folds
dcifrths: folds
james282: calls $50
----- FLOP ----- [2s 4s Td]
james282: checks
schneids: bets $50
james282: raises $100
schneids: raises $100
james282: calls $50

OK, I think there's a good shot I have the best hand. He's capable of slowplaying preflop but it's unlikely and this is a good board for him to c/r on, so, I'd like to keep the momentum. Plus, he checkraises me very often.

----- TURN ----- [2s 4s Td][Ks]
james282: checks
schneids: checks

Alright, that card is good and bad. If I'm behind, it gives me more outs. But, I know James is capable of checkraising me with a lone spade and many other worse hands. Value of a free card IMO exceeds the likelihood the tricky MFer check raises me again. If I'm behind I probably have 7 clean outs.

----- RIVER ----- [2s 4s Td Ks][6c]
james282: bets $100
schneids: calls $100

I remember taking a lot of time on this river decision. But I decided that it was too likely James was betting a hand trying to get me to fold a better one since he pretty much knows my turn check means I don't have a king or a ten. I'm very close to folding but close my eyes and call.

----- SHOW DOWN -----
james282: shows [Jc As] (High Card Ace)
schneids: shows [Jd Ac] (High Card Ace)
james282 collected $361 from Main pot
schneids collected $361 from Main pot


I think a lot of hands between two tough players are really pointless to try to learn anything from, unless you happen to have a large context on these players' histories against eachother.

EDIT: for the record my river call was in hopes of beating an A3sooted or A5sooted or any other 100% bluff.

Re: OH NOW i remember...and here\'s what happened....
 

he called also (imo) because i'm also capable of firing that last barrell.

-Barron

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

Hey hogger, you are plainly an idiot, but even if you weren't, I would feel no need to justify my play to you. If you can't see the merits of calling down against some wacko SB call on a 6JJ board against a habitual bluffer, then I certainly won't sit here and explain them to you.

If you have played so much against me, then I'm sure you have a very good record against me since even three year olds can read my hands. Good luck on the tables.
-James

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

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Hey hogger, you are plainly an idiot, but even if you weren't, I would feel no need to justify my play to you. If you can't see the merits of calling down against some wacko SB call on a 6JJ board against a habitual bluffer, then I certainly won't sit here and explain them to you.

If you have played so much against me, then I'm sure you have a very good record against me since even three year olds can read my hands. Good luck on the tables.
-James

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uh, bite me?

-Barron

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

Haha, I'm saying that you aren't shy about floating a lot of hands and then cr-ing a lot of flops - and when I had 20 outs on the turn, making it a clear call, a river call seemed close, especially since I didn't think you'd float a small pair there.
-James

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

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Haha, I'm saying that you aren't shy about floating a lot of hands and then cr-ing a lot of flops - and when I had 20 outs on the turn, making it a clear call, a river call seemed close, especially since I didn't think you'd float a small pair there.
-James

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and now we see why...

'cause ya never know what i got...just keep callin
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but seriously though, i do think i was playing a wee bit too loose in the sb overall. not no more tho'
-Barron

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

Yeah I agree your SB call is bad, but hell you cant put a dollar amount on taking that 67 and sticking it right up James's ass. Anyhow, this thread is kinda dumb. If I have a draw and need to get the river I would pay off a lot of the time agaist a tricky player too. It probably only seems so bad because these guys might think on a different level than you. Maybe that not true, I really have no idea, but there is a lot going on in spots like this and you didnt touch on any of it. Barron might think James will call the turn, but not the river with a lot of ace high hands. James might know Barron could be assuming this, and on and on. Also its tough for James to give Barron a 6 after he smooth calls from the sb, and Barron would likely three bet a medium pair. It would also be a strange, although interesting way to play 3 jacks. Maybe they are both thinking about completely different things, who knows, its all about thier past history and how those hands have played out. Anyhow I wouldnt be so quick to critisize.

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

yer teet look like baked beans.

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

Nothing looks fishy to me!

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

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Hey hogger, you are plainly an idiot, but even if you weren't, I would feel no need to justify my play to you. If you can't see the merits of calling down against some wacko SB call on a 6JJ board against a habitual bluffer, then I certainly won't sit here and explain them to you.

If you have played so much against me, then I'm sure you have a very good record against me since even three year olds can read my hands. Good luck on the tables.
-James

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Fair enough.
I never said 3 year olds could read your hands. I said a 3 year old could read this hand for AQ.
Thanks for the input

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

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Hey hogger, you are plainly an idiot, but even if you weren't, I would feel no need to justify my play to you. If you can't see the merits of calling down against some wacko SB call on a 6JJ board against a habitual bluffer, then I certainly won't sit here and explain them to you.

If you have played so much against me, then I'm sure you have a very good record against me since even three year olds can read my hands. Good luck on the tables.
-James

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Fair enough.
I never said 3 year olds could read your hands. I said a 3 year old could read this hand for AQ.
Thanks for the input

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Sure, it's easy to read a hand once the hand is all over and you know which hand is best. I could easily have 22-99, AK, AT, KQ, a jack, or any number of hands by the time the action gets to the river and SB has to put a bet in.
-James

Re: 2 very welll known 2+2, I don\'t get it ? my 3 year old new your h
 

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Hey hogger, you are plainly an idiot, but even if you weren't, I would feel no need to justify my play to you. If you can't see the merits of calling down against some wacko SB call on a 6JJ board against a habitual bluffer, then I certainly won't sit here and explain them to you.

If you have played so much against me, then I'm sure you have a very good record against me since even three year olds can read my hands. Good luck on the tables.
-James

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Fair enough.
I never said 3 year olds could read your hands. I said a 3 year old could read this hand for AQ.
Thanks for the input

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Sure, it's easy to read a hand once the hand is all over and you know which hand is best. I could easily have 22-99, AK, AT, KQ, a jack, or any number of hands by the time the action gets to the river and SB has to put a bet in.
-James

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Yes my mistake I guess I just got lucky when I pegged your hand. If you would have shown 55 I would have been wrong and moved on with no thought but 99-77 I would have been surprised.
Sorry I got in your face with the post.
I was discussing this situation the other day and was argueing that Ace high is paying to much. Then this hand came up so I decided to look here for input.
Thanks Mike