8table 109s
 

I was wondering if anyone 8tabled them and what roi u think is sustainable doing it?

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Yes alot of the 109ers here 8table. At least 1 12 tables.
10% is a little lower than what good 109ers here aim for, but it will make you a $hitload of cash ($150 an hr). Aim for 10%, and think of anything more as a bonus.

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I just started 4tabling, expecting 10-15% ROI. With rakeback i figured it for 90-100/hr. I might start 8tabling soon.

4-tabling I can pay all my expenses just of the rakeback, so 8tabling would be very nice if I could sustain a decent roi.

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Yes alot of the 109ers here 8table. At least 1 12 tables.
10% is a little lower than what good 109ers here aim for, but it will make you a $hitload of cash ($150 an hr). Aim for 10%, and think of anything more as a bonus.

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i am the 12 tabler mr_j speaks of. lately i have been taking a break, messin with some more multis and single tabling the step 5s a bit working on my game. but, as for expected roi 12 tabling? 10% is WAY too high of a goal. thats probably upper end of the spectrum. 12 tabling isnt all THAT easy, if it was, everyone would do it. shoot for 5%, and be happy with anything more. holla

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How about 8tabling?

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this is especially for the predatory raptor (holla). 12 table 109's= you put 1500 in play....fry your nervous system, make 5%=75.00. now , there are at least a thousand posts of people making more than 75.00 8-tabling 22's (and 33's) of course, they get in more than 8 sng's per hour. i'm trying to get a handle on this. unless you are into poker for the rush, like playing video games, what reason is there not to become a very good player and 8-table the 50's, or, taking it to the max and 2 or 4-tabling the 1000.00 steps. something just smells of rodent here, and only you can clear it up, at least i can't figure out how you think (poker wise). clumsy post, but articulate answer appreciated............holla............bear

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To make 75 at the 22's you'd need to profit $9.37 per SnG. So whoever claimed that is probably lieing or on an extreme heater with only a few dozen SnGs under their belt.

Edit - plus 12x$9 = 108 in fees = $27 - $33 in rakeback on top of the $75.

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hi...an edit...at the 109's you put about 1300 in play and the 5% would equal roughly 65.00. still, these hourly rates (i won't make a fool out of myself and name a figure) that are far higher than 5% or 65.00 (not fig. in rakeback) go uncontested on this board and have for over a year (that i have taken notice of these claims) now, speaking personally, 5-10% net is all i can make 4-tabling the 11's, but i don't know how to play the bubble, and am not very good at holdem anyway. i am seriously interested in hearing the opinions of those who are certain that these huge hourly, monthly, yearly incomes claimed by many members of this board are just not to be believed. if we need a new thread here, just growl. bear

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My goal is $60-65/hr 4-tabling and $100/hr 8-tabling rakeback not included. Realistic?

Btw, I don't play sets I start new tables once they finish.

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It would be very tough to make $75 8 tabling the 22s and 30s.

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Continuous 8 tables is MUCH MUCH harder than sets of 8. Sets of 8 aren't all that hard. Continuous are you have to keep track of which tables are where in terms of blinds, what position youre in, deal with some being at level 1 and some being at 200 400. in continuous you forget a lot of important stuff on the bubble and miss a lot of steal opportunities, because you can't see all the changing stacks 100% of the time. In general your play becomes much rougher around the edges. With sets everything kind of ends at once and your on the same page.

so don't underestimate how hard it is to 8 table, especially continuous, juggling the 3 tables at level 100/200 and remembering the stack sizes when you have 3 tables at 10 15 and 15 30 chirping along with one headsup table where you have to make a decision every ten seconds, its hectic. and start new tables. and the chinese delivery just came. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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You have to play well, but yes, those are realistic.

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im probably the only person in the world right now that does 12 continuously. doing that, i can get in around 20 an hour. so in that time, i invest 2180. therefore, a 5% return yields 109 dollars. pretty decent. however, i do have a higher than 5% return. lets not forget rakeback. 20 an hour times 9 fee, as well as 31% rb, yields me an additional 65 an hour or so.

whoever said they can make 100 an hour 8 tabling the 22s is lying. period. its simply not doable.

as for the difficulty of running continuously, if you learn to do it well, your $/hr will skyrocket. i dont have any problem being at level 1 and level 7 at the same time on a bunch of different tables. i can make the decisions by looking at blind and stack sizes, as well as bubble situations. everything needs to become automatic, and you become a machine. once you learn what to do in every situation, then its impossible to not yield a very high long term return.

i dont claim to play the best sng poker in the world. i dont even claim to be in the top 100 when im 12 tabling. i DO play well enough to win. my strategy is based upon creating the highest $/hr possible with my skill level. sure, i make some overagressive pushes, but none of them are -ev, maybe just not as +ev as they could be. however, thats fine with me. i dont need to take the time to look at every situation and analyze it to its fullest. my goal is to maximize my $/hr. i can 2 table the step 5s if i want to work on my game, and i do that sometimes.

anyways, dont get discouraged of you find 8 tabling hard. just keep at it. once you get the hang of it, its really not that bad, even to play continuously. anyways, good luck with it, holla

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20 SNGs/hr... YIKES.. Do you have ADHD or something? Man I don't know if my brain could take that.

And I agree with Voltron about playing these continuously. 8 tabling in sets is a snap, but I've never been able to successfully pull of playing them continueously.

Maybe if I had a urinal in my office [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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yea i gotta get up and run, and hope to time out on only 2 or 3 tables [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] holla

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dude, 12 continuous is [censored] beastly.

i'm definitely getting better at 8 tabling, every 50 games or so it's a litter smoother. its definitely pushed my hourly rate up. 100 and hour 8 tabling 22s is not possible. right now i'm in the high 40s for the last week, with about a 20 roi, and i think that is near the upper limit of whats possible. sure there are better players than i, but in terms of having an edge at the 22s, i think im at the point of diminishing returns.

going continuous is definitely just practice though, my focus is getting better and i'm keeping the different scenarios in my head in mind much better.

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yea i gotta get up and run, and hope to time out on only 2 or 3 tables [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] holla

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Just keep a gatorade bottle next to your chair (with a cap!). I have a buddy who started pissing in a gatorade bottle from his bed when he went to bed drunk and didn't want to drag his ass to the bathroom, and he got all the rest of us doing it. I piss while I'm driving sometimes now!

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My 'best' day of poker I ever played was when I played over 100 $22s 8 tabling continuously (with one 45 minute break to go to In N Out for food) - previously the most I'd played in a day was probably ~50. I did it basically cold turkey from 4 tabling the previous few weeks. I also did it with one 2001fp and one 17" CRT monitor (both monitors on 1600x1200 resolution). It was very energizing and I felt I had no significant problems doing it (I wasn't able to chat on AIM or brose 2+2 for most of it though, I'm sure I could with more practice). I felt my experience playing in chess tournaments helped me keep my focus throughout the day and my propensity for RTS computer games (back in the day) allowed myself to muti-task the tables without feeling any real hurriedness. Oh, and folding just about every hand (the 'Yugo' if you will) didn't hurt [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

It also may have been the most fun I've had playing poker (until I looked at stats) to date.

Makes me wonder why I don't just say F it and do it every time I play poker...

Yugoslav

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I've been 8tabling before, just not the 109s.

Anyone practice table selection at the 109s?