What winrate should I require to get into the stats compilation?
I'm creating a stats post with all the basic information from the more detail tab in pokertracker. I'm trying to determine what minimum winrate I should require before accepting stats. Please let me know the minimum # of hands and winrate you think I should accept at 5/10 and 10/20. Sorry for the previous very confusing poll.
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im still confused
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im still confused [/ QUOTE ] I want to do this for 5/10 and 10/20. [ QUOTE ] Introduction: The intent of this post is NOT to have players change their game in an effort to make their stats look more like those presented. This post is intended to give people who are curious about their stats an idea as to where other winning players stand. The one-half standard deviation range about the mean is probably a good range for your stats to be in. It is very likely that winning players exist whose stats fall outside of many or all of these ranges. Likewise, it is very likely that some losing players have stats which fall within all of these ranges. Stats are great for plugging large leaks. If a player has a VPIP of 8.2% or 34.1%, they clearly are not playing an optimul number of hands. Examining stats will not take a 1.5BB/100 winner, and turn him/her into a 2.2BB/100 winner. These improvements need play time and hand posts. You might be calling the correct pecentage of river bets, but that doesn't tell us that you are calling the RIGHT rivers. Preface: The two most commonly used statistics when measuring a group of data are: mean and standard variation. Mean: This is simply the average. You add all the numbers together, and divide by the total number of observations. Standard Deviation: This is the measure of spread. I will leave the complicated formula out of this. Basically, the further the data tends to fall from the mean, the greater the standard deviation. For example: {5,7,9,11,13} and {1,3,9,15,17} have the same mean: 9, but the second set has a greater standard deviation. In addition to these two statistics, the following will also be used: A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: This is a range that measures from 0.5 standard deviations below the mean to 0.5 standard deviations above the mean. For example: In a data set with: mean = 10; standard deviation = 6; This range is: 7 - 13. Min: Smallest datum in the set. Max: Largest datum in the set. Methodology: I asked for stat submissions from 2/4 and 3/6 players in the small stakes forum. I received 21 sets of stats from 2/4 players and 10 from 3/6 players. (This ended up being roughly 504,000 hands for 2/4 and 313,000 for 3/6). Using S-Plus software, I proceeded to compute the data in the preface. Findings: 2/4: VPIP: Mean: 17.9 Standard Deviation: 3.18 Min: 13.13 Max: 27.75 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 16.31-19.49 VPIP in SB: Mean: 30.24 Standard Deviation: 6.09 Min: 20.91 Max: 48.78 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 27.19-33.28 Folded SB to steal: Mean: 83.01 Standard Deviation: 7.20 Min: 67.88 Max: 91.43 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 79.41-86.61 Folded BB to steal: Mean: 63.09 Standard Deviation: 13.51 Min: 20.51 Max: 79.12 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 56.33-69.84 Attempted to steal blinds: Mean: 27.19 Standard Deviation: 4.70 Min: 19.29 Max: 33.33 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 24.84-29.54 Won $ WSF: Mean: 33.27 Standard Deviation: 2.28 Min: 29.60 Max: 37.89 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 32.13-34.41 Went to SD %: Mean: 31.73 Standard Deviation: 3.11 Min: 26.74 Max: 37.99 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 30.18-33.29 Won $ at SD %: Mean: 53.87 Standard Deviation: 3.73 Min: 47.77 Max: 60.17 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 52.00-55.73 Preflop Raise %: Mean: 9.22 Standard Deviation: 1.56 Min: 6.84 Max: 12.56 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 8.44-10.00 Flop aggression factor: Mean: 2.85 Standard Deviation: 0.64 Min: 1.86 Max: 3.98 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 2.53-3.17 Turn aggression factor: Mean: 2.82 Standard Deviation: 0.35 Min: 2.12 Max: 3.55 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 2.64-2.99 River aggression factor: Mean: 2.10 Standard Deviation: 0.24 Min: 1.60 Max: 2.55 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 1.98-2.22 Folded to river bet %: Mean: 45.84 Standard Deviation: 4.73 Min: 34.81 Max: 56.22 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 43.48-48.21 VPIP from button: Mean: 20.02 Standard Deviation: 3.50 Min: 15.95 Max: 28.33 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 18.27-21.77 VPIP from one off Button: Mean: 17.86 Standard Deviation: 2.96 Min: 13.16 Max: 26.82 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 16.38-19.34 VPIP from two off Button: Mean: 16.48 Standard Deviation: 3.00 Min: 11.71 Max: 25.24 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 14.97-17.98 VPIP from three off Button: Mean: 15.35 Standard Deviation: 3.25 Min: 11.66 Max: 25.29 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 13.72-16.97 VPIP from four off Button: Mean: 14.79 Standard Deviation: 3.54 Min: 9.80 Max: 24.41 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 13.02-16.56 VPIP from five off Button: Mean: 14.49 Standard Deviation: 2.92 Min: 9.58 Max: 23.72 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 13.03-15.95 VPIP from six off Button: Mean: 14.60 Standard Deviation: 3.14 Min: 9.57 Max: 23.66 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 13.03-16.17 VPIP from seven off Button: Mean: 14.25 Standard Deviation: 3.54 Min: 7.44 Max: 24.08 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 12.47-16.02 VPIP from BB: Mean: 17.23 Standard Deviation: 4.39 Min: 11.86 Max: 29.46 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 15.03-19.43 Loss from BB: Mean: 0.18 Standard Deviation: 0.05 Min: 0.08 Max: 0.28 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 0.15-0.20 Loss from SB: Mean: 0.11 Standard Deviation: 0.05 Min: 0.02 Max: 0.21 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 0.09-0.14 3/6: VPIP: Mean: 17.63 Standard Deviation: 2.92 Min: 14.46 Max: 22.75 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 16.18-19.09 VPIP in SB: Mean: 24.14 Standard Deviation: 5.17 Min: 18.64 Max: 31.21 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 21.55-26.72 Folded SB to steal: Mean: 84.12 Standard Deviation: 5.01 Min: 77.67 Max: 91.25 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 81.61-86.62 Folded BB to steal: Mean: 62.92 Standard Deviation: 12.92 Min: 44.69 Max: 78.65 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 56.46-69.38 Attempted to steal blinds: Mean: 27.34 Standard Deviation: 6.29 Min: 15.67 Max: 38.62 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 24.19-30.48 Won $ WSF: Mean: 37.00 Standard Deviation: 2.72 Min: 32.90 Max: 40.96 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 35.64-38.36 Went to SD %: Mean: 34.50 Standard Deviation: 3.51 Min: 31.24 Max: 41.96 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 32.74-36.25 Won $ at SD %: Mean: 53.74 Standard Deviation: 3.46 Min: 48.91 Max: 60.36 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 52.01-55.48 Preflop Raise %: Mean: 9.63 Standard Deviation: 1.73 Min: 6.72 Max: 12.38 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 8.77-10.50 Flop aggression factor: Mean: 2.90 Standard Deviation: 0.58 Min: 1.92 Max: 3.82 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 2.61-3.16 Turn aggression factor: Mean: 2.89 Standard Deviation: 0.55 Min: 1.92 Max: 3.82 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 2.62-3.16 River aggression factor: Mean: 1.94 Standard Deviation: 0.27 Min: 1.63 Max: 2.47 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 1.80-2.07 Folded to river bet %: Mean: 40.44 Standard Deviation: 7.50 Min: 21.55 Max: 47.61 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 36.69-44.19 VPIP from button: Mean: 20.45 Standard Deviation: 3.63 Min: 16.57 Max: 25.61 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 18.63-22.27 VPIP from one off Button: Mean: 18.34 Standard Deviation: 2.88 Min: 14.84 Max: 23.66 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 16.90-19.78 VPIP from two off Button: Mean: 17.36 Standard Deviation: 2.93 Min: 13.51 Max: 23.16 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 15.90-18.82 VPIP from three off Button: Mean: 16.06 Standard Deviation: 3.71 Min: 12.79 Max: 22.29 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 14.21-17.92 VPIP from four off Button: Mean: 15.01 Standard Deviation: 2.94 Min: 12.04 Max: 20.12 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 13.54-16.48 VPIP from five off Button: Mean: 14.33 Standard Deviation: 2.97 Min: 10.38 Max: 19.81 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 12.84-15.82 VPIP from six off Button: Mean: 13.70 Standard Deviation: 2.77 Min: 10.12 Max: 19.48 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 12.31-15.09 VPIP from seven off Button: Mean: 14.35 Standard Deviation: 3.01 Min: 9.29 Max: 18.44 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 12.85-15.86 VPIP from BB: Mean: 18.30 Standard Deviation: 4.19 Min: 12.55 Max: 23.66 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 16.21-20.40 Loss from BB: Mean: 0.19 Standard Deviation: 0.06 Min: 0.08 Max: 0.26 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 0.16-0.22 Loss from SB: Mean: 0.06 Standard Deviation: 0.02 Min: 0.04 Max: 0.09 A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 0.05-0.07 Thanks: I owe many thanks to all those who sent me their stats. As some did it anonymously, I can't name names here. But you know who you are. Thanks! [/ QUOTE ] Krishan |
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oh so youre doing the callmeishmael study for 6max?
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Krishan, where have you been all my life?
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Bump, also if you think you fit the criteria and are willing to participate, sent me a PM please.
Krishan |
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AAACHOOOOoooooo....
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I'm at 1.50 bb/100 but only on 26K hands ..I've run horrible this month so I'm playing more $5-10 Full...looking forward to the results thu.
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How many contributors have you gotten?
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How many contributors have you gotten? [/ QUOTE ] I'm afraid just 1. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] There aren't many people with the requisite hand count and winrate. I'm thinking of changing the requirements to just respected posters regardless of winrate. I don't think this will happen without a lowering of requirements. Krishan |
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I'm afraid just 1. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] There aren't many people with the requisite hand count and winrate. I'm thinking of changing the requirements to just respected posters regardless of winrate. I don't think this will happen without a lowering of requirements. Krishan [/ QUOTE ] FWIW, when I did it for the 2/4 and 3/6 games, I sent out about 80-90 PMs to people whose posts suggested they knew what they were doing. Also.. out of curiosity, dont you have access to very large 5/10 and 10/20 DBs? If you can't find enough participants here, is that an option? |
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Also.. out of curiosity, dont you have access to very large 5/10 and 10/20 DBs? If you can't find enough participants here, is that an option? [/ QUOTE ] The sample size of even the most religious players wouldn't exceed 30K at 5/10. In 6 months I could do it for 10/20. I've only PMed about 20 people. I'll keep working on it. How many people ultimately responded? Krishan |
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The sample size of even the most religious players wouldn't exceed 30K at 5/10. In 6 months I could do it for 10/20. [/ QUOTE ] Just a thought: If you included all winners over, say, 8k+ hands, you might get some solid results anyway. Even though you run the risk of including more long term losers, you are also getting data from many many more long term winners. Since you are looking at getting a range, throwing in a few long term losers wouldnt skew it too much at all (especially considering you can exclude outlying data) How many winners with over 8k hands are in the db? If its a pretty big number, it might be a good way to go. [ QUOTE ] I've only PMed about 20 people. I'll keep working on it. How many people ultimately responded? [/ QUOTE ] Quite a few actually. Maybe like 70% of the people I PMed replied, though some of them didnt meet 1 or more requirements. |
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oh i didnt know that you were accepting contributions yet.
i have 50k hands at 5/10 with 2+BB/100. lmk if you still want the details and what i have to send. |
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oh i didnt know that you were accepting contributions yet. i have 50k hands at 5/10 with 2+BB/100. lmk if you still want the details and what i have to send. [/ QUOTE ] Heck yeah. I'm looking for screenshots of the more detail button on the general tab, position stats tab, and the misc tab. Send them to kleong@albemarle.org Krishan |
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Bump to let people know I have received 4 sets of stats. Still looking for more 10/20 players. I'll do another round of PM's once I'm back from my honeymoon. The project will be on hold till then.
Krishan |
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I should hope it would wait. Have a wonderful honeymoon and a great marriage!
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