a 9,9 poll
 

Party Poker 10+1 No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) converter

Button (t660)
SB (t2535)
Hero (t1760)
UTG (t1380)
MP (t1665)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to t200</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t150,

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If anyone votes stop n go, they should be slapped sharply.

Why isn't call an option?

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why not 'call and see what the flop brings' ? I choose that option

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Im so tired of the stop+go obsession. About 80% of posts asking whether they should use it, make no sense. The stop+go assumes you will push on EVERY SINGLE FLOP. Does it even make the least bit of sense to call for 100 and then push 1500 chips in the center against two opponents no matter what comes on the flop?

Sorry I'm taking it out on you, but it's just never ending. These terms like stop+go need to be defined very clearly somewhere on the website because it really feels like no one even knows what they mean.

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These terms like stop+go need to be defined very clearly somewhere on the website because it really feels like no one even knows what they mean.

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Here, I'll clear up the confusion once and for all with an illustrative sentence:

I <font color="red"> stop n goed</font> on your mom last night.

Yugoslav
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Stop-n-stop-n-go

Call and push the turn, no matter what happens.

[i'm just kidding, curtains]

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why not 'call and see what the flop brings' ? I choose that option

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Ummm.... CALL. Anything else is stupid.

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Reraise to 1300 and c/f the flop if any overcard hits.

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Are you being serious? Because if you are, this is the stupidest idea ever. He has t1700 stack!! You suggest raising 3/4 of his stack and check/folding to an overcard?!

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this is the stupidest idea ever.

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I disagree, a Stop N Go is the worst idea ever.

Anyways, you should get your sarcasm detectors serviced [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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It's hard on the internet, especially without smilies. (really, lolz)

Correct sarcasm would be "raise to t1300, over 3/4 your stack, and c/f the flop even though you have a pair and tremendous pot odds. :P"

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I would call and play mostly, but not exclusively, for set value.

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I voted stop and go because that is the closest thing to call. I at least still have the option to stop and stop or even chk raise if that seems right based on a 5 card hand.

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Regardless of stack sizes (which also dictate that the Stop n' go is a bad move), you can't make the play, BECAUSE THE SB CALLED THE RAISE. YOU WILL NOT BE FIRST TO ACT.

If you call here, and the flop comes AKJ, and you push your nines into two players, you stink.

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Sarcasm is best when it's subtle. That being said, I think it was pretty obvious he was joking.

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Ummm.... CALL. Anything else is stupid.

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Damn. I guess I'm stupid.

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Ummm.... CALL. Anything else is stupid.

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Damn. I guess I'm stupid.

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You really fold? I think you have enough stack and enough direct odds and enough chance of stacking someone if you set up to see a flop here.

I really don't like pushing either. Yes the pot is large in relation to your stack but given how favorable the conditions for calling are, and how sizeable a stack you have even if you fold the flop, I think pushing is a foolhardy risk.

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Ummm.... CALL. Anything else is stupid.

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Damn. I guess I'm stupid.

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You really fold? I think you have enough stack and enough direct odds and enough chance of stacking someone if you set up to see a flop here.

I really don't like pushing either. Yes the pot is large in relation to your stack but given how favorable the conditions for calling are, and how sizeable a stack you have even if you fold the flop, I think pushing is a foolhardy risk.

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I really am stupid....I didn't see that the SB called. Call.

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I voted fold but only because "call" wasn't an option.

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With two players involved in a raised pot I would call. Folding is okay and everything else sucks. I don't like minraises. It might mean someone sucks or they want to give you odds to call when they have AA. Or they want you to sense weakness and reraise them all in.

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I voted fold...

-I think pushing as the third person into a pot given the stack sizes is crazy. I really want to be first in NOT third.
-it is going to be really tough to play post flop with two people in the pot.
-I am not really getting sufficient odds to call 'for set value'. Calling is not too bad I guess if you think you have decent implied odds (the initial 5-1 odds is not great though).
-I need two people to exit in order to cash. There is a really short stack and this looks like two bigger stacks may tangle. Why not let them beat each other up. The ICM calculation would be a lock fold if they were all in. They have a chance to get all-in later on in the hand, so I would consider this a factor as well.

Pokerscott

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I call

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I'm pushing, BTW. I've got fold equity, and most likely the best hand.

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Well, if you are playing soley for immidiate setvalue you can't call, but a flopped set is not the only good scenario for you.
You might flop an overpair with a OESD or SD, an overpair or just a pair and an OESD.
You might win win the pot with a small bet on the flop and you might just see the turn and/or river for free and sometimes it might even be checked to the end and you win the hand.
And if you do make a strong hand you will have some juicy implied odds.

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Well, if you are playing soley for immidiate setvalue you can't call.

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Sure you can. Your implied odds here are at least 10:1.

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Folding is extremely bad poker. It'd depend how I felt whether I just call or I push.

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Well, if you are playing soley for immidiate setvalue you can't call.

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Sure you can. Your implied odds here are at least 10:1.

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What I meant with my post was that you can't call here just for the immediate pot odds (to flop a set), but that the implied odds are very good and that there are more ways to win the pot then flopping a set. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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I voted fold but only because "call" wasn't an option.

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I refuse to vote [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img], pushing is too wild, folding is horrible and a stop-n-go worst. Calling preflop is my option

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Well, if you are playing soley for immidiate setvalue you can't call.

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Sure you can. Your implied odds here are at least 10:1.

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What I meant with my post was that you can't call here just for the immediate pot odds (to flop a set), but that the implied odds are very good and that there are more ways to win the pot then flopping a set. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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Ah I see.
I wanna be clear, I think calling is good here even if you're playing *exclusively* for a set.

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you can't stop n go because you are not first to act on the flop.