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Keep in mind that even if Daniel is putting up all the money he is actually getting laid an indirect price because of the Wynn factor. So it is right for him to play if the game is even or if he is a slight dog. Not so for his challengers. They either have to be a definite favorite or get a moderate spot to have the same type of good bet that Daniel gets.

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Ok, let's just crush that last string of excuses once and for all: I'll play at YOUR house, YOU can deal, and you don't even have to worry about supplying refreshments! I'll bring my own bottled water and I'll eat before I get there.

Scrounge up $100,000 and we'll play Stud 8 or better... dude, you can even deal the whole match! Daveyboy... you might be biting off a little more than you can chew, no? Oh and again... you got your 10% back.

I'm certainly not bluffing, are you? Thought so...


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Repeating my reply on the other thread:

Weird post. Almost sounds like Daniel thought I was implying I might get cheated at the Wynn. Of course The Wynn Factor I was speaking about was that bringing business to the Wynn was worth something in itself. Else why make an offer where he himself admits opens him up to matches where he is at least a slight underdog.

Anyway it sounds like he thinks he would easily win more than the required 53% of the time. It also seems he hasn't read what I said I would play. Which among other things is taking a 20% rebate on $50,000. I will play that at the Wynn as long as there is no media.

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Weird post. Almost sounds like Daniel thought I was implying I might get cheated at the Wynn. Of course The Wynn Factor I was speaking about was that bringing business to the Wynn was worth something in itself. Else why make an offer where he himself admits opens him up to matches where he is at least a slight underdog.

Anyway it sounds like he thinks he would easily win more than the required 53% of the time. It also seems he hasn't read what I said I would play. Which among other things is taking a 20% rebate on $50,000. I will play that at the Wynn as long as there is no media.

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nah, i figure he thought that you didn't want to induce any plubicity by playing at the wynn's so he offered to play at your house.
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"I'm certainly not bluffing, are you? Thought so...


Daniel Negreanu

Bluffing about what? I'll take 10 to 9, 23.5 to 20 or 50-40. Just like I always said. Notice that playing for the stakes I usually do, I am not asking for more than the original ten percent offer.

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Is Wynn backing any of these bets to drum up publicity? I know he is getting paid as a "spokesman", but is he getting covered partially here?

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money's 100% from daniel's pocket. quote the man himself.

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Wait...will there be media coverage at Sklansky's house if they hold it there?

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Jesus I wish you people would stop making new threads about this so questions that have already been discussed wouldn't get asked in each new thread...

What's wrong with *1* DN vs. DS soap opera thread??

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Keep in mind that even if Daniel is putting up all the money he is actually getting laid an indirect price because of the Wynn factor. So it is right for him to play if the game is even or if he is a slight dog. Not so for his challengers. They either have to be a definite favorite or get a moderate spot to have the same type of good bet that Daniel gets.

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Ok, let's just crush that last string of excuses once and for all: I'll play at YOUR house, YOU can deal, and you don't even have to worry about supplying refreshments! I'll bring my own bottled water and I'll eat before I get there.

Scrounge up $100,000 and we'll play Stud 8 or better... dude, you can even deal the whole match! Daveyboy... you might be biting off a little more than you can chew, no? Oh and again... you got your 10% back.

I'm certainly not bluffing, are you? Thought so...


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DS got smoked bad here...its a shame

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Keep in mind that even if Daniel is putting up all the money he is actually getting laid an indirect price because of the Wynn factor. So it is right for him to play if the game is even or if he is a slight dog. Not so for his challengers. They either have to be a definite favorite or get a moderate spot to have the same type of good bet that Daniel gets.

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Ok, let's just crush that last string of excuses once and for all: I'll play at YOUR house, YOU can deal, and you don't even have to worry about supplying refreshments! I'll bring my own bottled water and I'll eat before I get there.

Scrounge up $100,000 and we'll play Stud 8 or better... dude, you can even deal the whole match! Daveyboy... you might be biting off a little more than you can chew, no? Oh and again... you got your 10% back.

I'm certainly not bluffing, are you? Thought so...


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whoa why is there so much animosity between the two. Daniel hardly seems like a guy who holds such a strong grudge. What's their history?

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Does this come across to anyone else sounding like something you'd hear on a gradeschool playground? It can't even be construed as normal trash talking. I would think someone at this level of a profession would be above this.

My view of him as gone downhill more and more everytime I read something from him. Anyone else feel this way? Granted a big ego and a sure of yourself perception is vital with this game, but if you can't control it, I think people will eventually just lump you in the pile with other members of the brat pack.

Granted, winning friends and influencing people doesn't help playing winning poker, but it sure helps with endorsements. Just my opinion, wonder what other people think.

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so you have no intention of accepting a potential offer from 2+2 posters to stake the balance of the bet you don't put in?

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David,

This whole fiasco is making your look really small. If the general point of you posting on 2+2 is to promote the company and your own books, your doing a disservice to yourself. It's gotten to a point where you look like the guy who says he doesn't want to fight because it's against his religon.

It doesn't matter any more what you actually said or what you actually intended to say. While Nagreanu is out actually playing for $500,000, you look like you're trying to manipulate circumstances to avoid playing for 1/10th that.

Negreanu goaded you into this exchange. But, you shouldn't have allowed it. It should have been a simple matter for you to simply decline and move on. Mason did it. I don't kow why you couldn't.

All this negotiating about getting odds and playing for substantially less than anybody else who will play Negreanu can only hurt your reputation.

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so you have no intention of accepting a potential offer from 2+2 posters to stake the balance of the bet you don't put in?

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Excellent question!

I already made my offer to partially stake David in another thread. I'm guessing there are others here who think this would be a good bet.

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David,

This whole fiasco is making your look really small. If the general point of you posting on 2+2 is to promote the company and your own books, your doing a disservice to yourself. It's gotten to a point where you look like the guy who says he doesn't want to fight because it's against his religon.

It doesn't matter any more what you actually said or what you actually intended to say. While Nagreanu is out actually playing for $500,000, you look like you're trying to manipulate circumstances to avoid playing for 1/10th that.

Negreanu goaded you into this exchange. But, you shouldn't have allowed it. It should have been a simple matter for you to simply decline and move on. Mason did it. I don't kow why you couldn't.

All this negotiating about getting odds and playing for substantially less than anybody else who will play Negreanu can only hurt your reputation.

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I think this is completely the opposite. Mr. Sklansky writes books about playing winning poker. The fact that he's not that interested in playing heads up against someone in what can be considered not much more than a coinflip only bolsters what he tries to teach in his books and writings. Get in games in favorable situations, etc. DN is looking for publicity, he wins either way. Mr. Sklansky I believe tries to teach not to get caught up in situations where you can find something mroe +EV. DN needs big names to play against him. I think Mr. Sklansky just taking DN up on a thrown out offer, which is really close to a coinflip, goes against everything he tries to each people.

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David, it's ok i wouldn't want to play him head up either he is the best player in the world right now, i wouldn't step in the ring with Mike Tyson even if i had a knife. Just admit he is a better player than you , no more excuses, no more negotiating for changes in the structure of a poker game that you have no intention of ever actually playing.

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I am a 2+2er and all, but Dan just ripped DS a new [censored].

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does daniel always talk like that? he sounds like a high school drop-out.

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I'm finding it increasingly amusing how some people just won't accept DS doesn't want to start flipping coins for $100k-500k.

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does daniel always talk like that? he sounds like a high school drop-out.

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I thought he was a HS dropout.

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I have to weigh in on this pissing match between Daniel and David. My opinion of both of them has been dramatically reduced by this entire fiasco. I have no idea why Daniel is so fired up about this thing. Either he has been reading too much of his fanmail or he has some agenda here. Either way he is taking the low road. For a guy who can be considered the best poker player in the past 2-3 years it seems foolish on his part.

On David I have to say that he just seems to be full of hot air. He should stick to talking about poker instead of playing poker because he doesnt seem to have the stones for it. All this stuff about 5-4 being close to equal is laughable. Heck I would probably take 5-4 odds with Negraneau if I had the cash. What exactly does that prove?

Bottom line - Either put up or shut up IMO.

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what kind of history/tiff did DN have with DS while moving up the ranks?

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I have to weigh in on this pissing match between Daniel and David. My opinion of both of them has been dramatically reduced by this entire fiasco. I have no idea why Daniel is so fired up about this thing. Either he has been reading too much of his fanmail or he has some agenda here. Either way he is taking the low road. For a guy who can be considered the best poker player in the past 2-3 years it seems foolish on his part.

On David I have to say that he just seems to be full of hot air. He should stick to talking about poker instead of playing poker because he doesnt seem to have the stones for it. All this stuff about 5-4 being close to equal is laughable. Heck I would probably take 5-4 odds with Negraneau if I had the cash. What exactly does that prove?

Bottom line - Either put up or shut up IMO.

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I thought he was a HS dropout.

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how can a HS dropout write for cardplayer?

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I thought he was a HS dropout.

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how can a HS dropout write for cardplayer?

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Have you read Cardplayer? I thought being a High School dropout was a requirement now.

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how can a HS dropout write for cardplayer?

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Have you read Cardplayer? I thought being a High School dropout was a requirement now.

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whoa why is there so much animosity between the two. Daniel hardly seems like a guy who holds such a strong grudge. What's their history?

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No, this is entirely consistent with DN's network behavior. Seems like every other time he's opening his virtual mouth on the 'net, he's trashing someone else.

And of course, since this whole thing is just a schoolyard spat, DN's just assuming that if he shouts "I Dare You!" loudly enough and long enough, that the schoolyard peer pressure will force DS to take him up on the dare.

Which still just seems silly to me. Like I said: Might as well put $100K on black at the roulette wheel. Even if the house was paying fair odds, it'd just be a silly thing to do.

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whoa why is there so much animosity between the two. Daniel hardly seems like a guy who holds such a strong grudge. What's their history?

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No, this is entirely consistent with DN's network behavior. Seems like every other time he's opening his virtual mouth on the 'net, he's trashing someone else.

And of course, since this whole thing is just a schoolyard spat, DN's just assuming that if he shouts "I Dare You!" loudly enough and long enough, that the schoolyard peer pressure will force DS to take him up on the dare.

Which still just seems silly to me. Like I said: Might as well put $100K on black at the roulette wheel. Even if the house was paying fair odds, it'd just be a silly thing to do.

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let me rephrase, DN doesn't seem to be one that holds a grudge for no reason. His other major tiff was with Annie Duke some time ago. I did once sit on the table with AD and in the hour I was there she was a very hard person to like. DN has always seemed like a straight shooter

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David,

This whole fiasco is making your look really small. If the general point of you posting on 2+2 is to promote the company and your own books, your doing a disservice to yourself. It's gotten to a point where you look like the guy who says he doesn't want to fight because it's against his religon.

It doesn't matter any more what you actually said or what you actually intended to say. While Nagreanu is out actually playing for $500,000, you look like you're trying to manipulate circumstances to avoid playing for 1/10th that.

Negreanu goaded you into this exchange. But, you shouldn't have allowed it. It should have been a simple matter for you to simply decline and move on. Mason did it. I don't kow why you couldn't.

All this negotiating about getting odds and playing for substantially less than anybody else who will play Negreanu can only hurt your reputation.

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it does'nt even make sense to scrounge over what odds are laid to you when the amount you're saying you'd play for is not an amount that Daniel would even wipe his Romanian culo with. either get with the program at the suggested stakes or respectfully decline.

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Why don't you guys get it? David has been playing poker in Vegas for 30 years. In all that time, he has always passed on what he considered "bad" games. He is a business person, first and foremost. His books promote the idea of playing against weaker opponents.

David didn't get to the position he is in (financially) by making poor bets. He got there by exploiting each and every offer (from casinos, sportsbooks, and yes, other players) that he mathematically figured to be +EV.

Sure, I'd like to see him put up the kind of money Daniel is asking for, but that's between David and his bankroll, and his comfort level. Just because others are willing to risk more money, does not make David less of a player, less of a man, or less of a math genius. Probably, it just reenforces the belief that you take "good" bets, and you do better than risking "bad" ones to save face.

Also, remember the original offer came from Daniel, it was not a challenge from David.

Any of you dissenters playing in the $10K WSOP? If not, why? I'm not, because I haven't won a seat, and don't think it's +EV for me. Is David allowed to use the same logic?

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I agree with you 100% dogmeat, however DS will simply not say "No , Daniel i won't play you" which is all he has to say to end this.

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I think Daniel got irked by comments by David about his being an underdog in these heads-up contests. Also he was probably annoyed at David's smug assessments about how much could be won or lost at the big game, when David doesn't even play in that game, and I'm guessing has no direct knowledge who wins what.

Let's face it, some people here find Sklansky's egomania a bit grating: "I could have won a noble prize. I could beat the stock market. I'm a math prodigy." Etc. etc.

Daniel probably thinks he is a better poker player than David, and just wanted to call Sklansky's bluff.

As for David, his tactics remind me of a prize fighter who really doesn't want to accept a challenge by a fighter he is afraid is superior; stalling by complaining about the venue, the brand of gloves, ring size, choice of referees, etc. etc.

As for this it would be a coin flip stuff, and David having to be EV+....

To qoute Norman Mailer: "Sleep is indeed wisdom for a gladiator such as yourself."

Frank

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Let's face it, some people here find Sklansky's egomania a bit grating: "I could have won a noble prize. I could beat the stock market. I'm a math prodigy." Etc. etc.

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It has always bugged me when people confuse talent with personality. If I like someone's acting, it doesn't mean I have to like them as a person. The fact that Bobby Hull was a wife beater did not detract from his slapshot.

Sklansky's poker related advice is the best grounding you are going to get. I don't give a [censored] what he looks like, what his politics are, or if he "plays well with others".

Same goes for DN. If he comes across as an ass, I could care less. His tournament results say he knows how to play tournament poker. I don't care if he got his driver's license while he was still in Grade 3.

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If his intent was to stay clear of it than why did he open his big mouth and start talking about how he is better than Daniel at certain games? Daniel made a blanket offer not an offer to David. David felt compelled to tell us that he is Daniel's equal even though he demands 5-4 odds.

I agree with Transient. Daniel lost his cool after Daivd kept spouting off.

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Awesome!

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When his expectation is positive, it's not a coin flip.

If he is backed even 50% by 2+2'ers, which I think he could be easily, I'd say it's an easy bet to take, ESPECIALLY since he thinks he is a favorite in the game. If he is a 10% favorite, Which i'd guess might be low for that game for him vs Daniel and is getting a 10% loss rebate, I'm not gonna go through all the actual #'s, but it seems right off the top he has about a 15%% edge. If so, that's $7500 value. I'm also sure that he could easily get backed by us for the full 50k, if not almost ANY amount up to the 500K under these terms. I'd be in for 5k. Of course, if he DID play for 500k, he'd only need 450k, but that's semi-obvious.

ANd again, I have no idea why he wouldn;t want publicity, although I guess it has been addressed elsewhere. My only guess is that DS thinks it could hurt his book sales were he to lose. Either way, there's little chance of the results never coming out.

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well done

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No refreshments! Hahaha.