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I am an idiot, I should have made the original thread have results viewable. So here goes. And sorry, it's 3 AM here and I'm tired.

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Just got back I liked it more than episode 1 and 2 but not sure where I rank it among the original three it was good though I gave it an 8

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I agree with most of the critics. far far better than episodes I&II, maybe as good as ROTJ.

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Just got back after waiting 10 minutes in the parking lot just to get out. It was definitely much, much better than the last two.

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not bad. i liked it. then again i liked the other 2. just take them for what they are, and you will enjoy them. if you're looking for deep meaningful dialogue, look somewhere else.

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I was surprised at how good it was. I really hated Anakin by the end, and Palpatine progressed nicely. That final comment from Yoda to Obi Won about Qui Gon I could've gone without though. It took me a second to realize what they were refering to, and to be honest, it was never something I questioned, so I had no problem with it not being explained.

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i had chills when Vader first came up in the full suit.

i think they did a great job of wrapping up some of the loose ends.

well worth it to hit up that midnight showing!

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unsurprisingly, I completely agree with you.

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If you're looking for eye candy, it's pretty good. If you're looking for something with any kind of soul or humanity like the original movies, you'll be disappointed.

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I thought it was awesome! Definitely better than I & II (although I liked both of those as well). I want to watch IV again now.

Couple questions.

1. What was Padme trying to say to obi-wan right before she died? I had trouble hearing but I think she said "There is still....." and then she dies... I think she was trying to tell ben that there is still hope to bring anakin back to the good side... but maybe I misread that.

2. Does obi-wan think anakin is dead?

3. Yoda is a pimp.

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1. What was Padme trying to say to obi-wan right before she died? I had trouble hearing but I think she said "There is still....." and then she dies... I think she was trying to tell ben that there is still hope to bring anakin back to the good side... but maybe I misread that.

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I think its somewhere along the lines as the same thing Luke says about him in the last fight scene in ROTJ. "I think there is still good in you father." So your thoughts may not be entirely off.

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2. Does obi-wan think anakin is dead?

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I'd think so. I don't know why he wouldn't finish off the job though (just to be sure).

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3. Yoda is a pimp.

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agreed.

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Just got back from a packed theatre here. Man was it hot in there.

Anakin burning up was the highlight for me.

Lawrence

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no offense but R2-D2 is the coolest

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i had chills when Vader first came up in the full suit.

i think they did a great job of wrapping up some of the loose ends.

well worth it to hit up that midnight showing!

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Do they use James Earl Jones for Vaders voice????

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i think they did a great job of wrapping up some of the loose ends.

well worth it to hit up that midnight showing!

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Do they use James Earl Jones for Vaders voice????

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No way man, they went to K-mart and got a vader voice changer. It's actually Lucas' daughter doing the lines... that was his original vision.

I saw it. The love dialogue is bad again, some of the acting is piss poor, but overall I loved it. Hell, I loved #2 as well despite some of the same flaws. And I don't hate Hayden as an actor in either. Other people screw up key scenes.

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Saw a midnight showing...just woke up (and I feel better prepared to comment after getting some sleep); looking back on it, this:

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Anakin burning up was the highlight for me.

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was far and away the best scene in the prequel series, IMO.

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It was so bad in so many ways. Here are the top ten reasons: (Some spoiler alert)

1) Hayden Christiansen can't act
2) Natalie Portman didn't act this time
3) The fight choreography sucked.
3a) There was sooooooooooooo much "zoom in on one guy then the other guy" that you couldn't really see the fight.
3b) The chancellor was especially terrible in this regard
4) There is no chemistry at all between Hayden Christiansen and Natalie Portman
5) Terrible one liners
5a) "I have the high ground you cannot win."
5b) "Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!" (Think "Khannnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!")
5c) Others that I'm forgetting
6) I'm sorry, R2-D2 is just not that badass
7) Jedi Masters are so much more badass than this movie takes advantage of
7a) There is no reason that Obi-Wan should have had *any* trouble killing General Grievous
7b) The Jedi should have realized something was wrong as soon as the stormtroopers were given their orders - you can't take a Jedi by surprise - they have Spidey sense [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
7c) Obi-wan should have been able to fling the droids attacking his ship with his mind, not rely on Anakin to shoot them down
8) Obi-wan would not have left Anakin there for dead
9) After Anakin gets his Vader suit, he really never shows the power and dignity of the position - he still seems like some noob child
10) No one ever said "Oh....... restore balance to the force....... that's what they meant by that........"

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That final comment from Yoda to Obi Won about Qui Gon I could've gone without though. It took me a second to realize what they were refering to, and to be honest, it was never something I questioned, so I had no problem with it not being explained.

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I didn't understand that part?

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9) After Anakin gets his Vader suit, he really never shows the power and dignity of the position - he still seems like some noob child

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I agree. even after he Darth puts on the suit, he still seems different than the original trilogy Darth.
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10) No one ever said "Oh....... restore balance to the force....... that's what they meant by that........

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they did mention this twice. Obi-Won I think mentions it both times. the prophecy was that The Chosen One would bring balance to the force by destroying the Sith.

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10) No one ever said "Oh....... restore balance to the force....... that's what they meant by that........

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they did mention this twice. Obi-Won I think mentions it both times. the prophecy was that The Chosen One would bring balance to the force by destroying the Sith.

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They mention the prophecy, yes, but what they don't realize is that the Jedi were in control (there were thousands of them), and only one or two Sith lords. So by "restoring balance to the force" that would result in the fall of the Jedi order. But no one in the movie realizes this.

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clearly, "balance" doesn't mean "an equal amount of sith/jedi", or "an equal amount of power on each side". it means that there will be peace.

I think the movie explained all of this very clearly.

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clearly, "balance" doesn't mean "an equal amount of sith/jedi", or "an equal amount of power on each side". it means that there will be peace.


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Even if this is true...

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I think the movie explained all of this very clearly.

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This definitely isn't.

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9) After Anakin gets his Vader suit, he really never shows the power and dignity of the position - he still seems like some noob child

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I agree. even after he Darth puts on the suit, he still seems different than the original trilogy Darth.


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Actually, this was done on purpose. Lucas made this suit heavier to make Christensen's movements clunkier. He didn't want him to look as polished as the original.

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I actually appreciated that comment. I thought the glowing blue ghost jedi were a little odd, and I liked the explanation.

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1) Hayden Christiansen can't act
2) Natalie Portman didn't act this time
4) There is no chemistry at all between Hayden Christiansen and Natalie Portman

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Dont blame them, this is because their lines sucked. Its almost impossible to act them well.

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7b) The Jedi should have realized something was wrong as soon as the stormtroopers were given their orders - you can't take a Jedi by surprise - they have Spidey sense [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


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Dark force was everywhere at this point, clouding everything. (Remember they couldnt even see palpatine as a sith, in front of their face, for years).

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10) No one ever said "Oh....... restore balance to the force....... that's what they meant by that........

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they did mention this twice. Obi-Won I think mentions it both times. the prophecy was that The Chosen One would bring balance to the force by destroying the Sith.

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They mention the prophecy, yes, but what they don't realize is that the Jedi were in control (there were thousands of them), and only one or two Sith lords. So by "restoring balance to the force" that would result in the fall of the Jedi order. But no one in the movie realizes this.

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uhh, am i alone in assuming that the profecy refers to vader destroying the sith in rotj?

how about this one? they send TWO soldiers to kill yoda?

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I gave it an 8 as well, meaning "100 minutes were excellent and 40 minutes were rubbish." I was really taken in by the whole thing in general, and it was successful for me. Most of it was pretty good.

1) Ewen McGregor is as good in this film as Alec Guinness was in the first one, imo.

2) I know Natalie Portman is a good actress, but she was horrible here. Some of the dialogue was unbelievably, eye-rollingly bad.

3) The big scene where Anakin kills Samuel Jackson and changes into a bad guy was glossed, imo. The whole time before this, he's ambivalent, he's not sure. He only hits Sam J. because he doesn't want him to kill the Emperor, but then, 2 seconds later, he's completely sure and totally committed to being a bad guy. I didn't like this. He should be even more tormented than he was a minute ago.

4) Showing Anakin's face "half in light and half in shadow" would've been effective, once. The fortieth time, it was really irritating, especially in the ending fight when he's already committed to being a bad guy and the metaphor simply doesn't work any more. Needless to say, love dialogue scenes where half his face is lit make up most of the bad 40 minutes.

5) In spite of all this, I really liked it, and it really worked for me. I don't know that I could've been satisfied by the completion of a story the end of which I'd heard nearly 30 (!) years before, but with the exception of Anakin/Darth not being quite troubled enough when he switched sides, it really did work for me. I couldn't wait for Luke to grow up and storm the death star, etc.

6) I'm also glad that there was no character called "Product Tie-In Guy" whose only role was to advertise. Unless there was and I missed him. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

7) Yoda was the best. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I am glad Darth Vader/ Anakin did not have a lot of lines in the suit. Hearing James Earl Jones whine was almost heartbreaking.

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uhh, am i alone in assuming that the profecy refers to vader destroying the sith in rotj?

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it's quite clear to me. dunno why people have a hard time with this.

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uhh, am i alone in assuming that the profecy refers to vader destroying the sith in rotj?

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Ah ha. So he destroys all the good Jedi in ep 3 and all the evil Jedi in ep 6, leaving a half-trained Jedi knight left. That's about as balanced as you can get.

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That final comment from Yoda to Obi Won about Qui Gon I could've gone without though. It took me a second to realize what they were refering to, and to be honest, it was never something I questioned, so I had no problem with it not being explained.

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I didn't understand that part?

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You know when Luke's doing his thing in the later movies and dead Obi Won is talking to him? That's the only possible thing they could be explaining, how Jedi can talk to dead Jedi. But I really don't think that was neccesary to explain.

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uhh, am i alone in assuming that the profecy refers to vader destroying the sith in rotj?

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it's quite clear to me. dunno why people have a hard time with this.

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You are not alone, I think lots of fans know this. Since Luke is not a Jedi yet in ROTJ, the 'Return of the Jedi' is clearly referring to Anakin, but then again most people didn't get that either.

For another question... I was in a packed theater last night... and the scene where Yoda walked into the Emperors chambers, and quickly dispatched of his guards using the force, the WHOLE THEATER erupted in laughter, then applause. This happen anywhere else?

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uhh, am i alone in assuming that the profecy refers to vader destroying the sith in rotj?

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it's quite clear to me. dunno why people have a hard time with this.

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You are not alone, I think lots of fans know this. Since Luke is not a Jedi yet in ROTJ, the 'Return of the Jedi' is clearly referring to Anakin, but then again most people didn't get that either.

For another question... I was in a packed theater last night... and the scene where Yoda walked into the Emperors chambers, and quickly dispatched of his guards using the force, the WHOLE THEATER erupted in laughter, then applause. This happen anywhere else?

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Yep

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uhh, am i alone in assuming that the profecy refers to vader destroying the sith in rotj?

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it's quite clear to me. dunno why people have a hard time with this.

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You are not alone, I think lots of fans know this. Since Luke is not a Jedi yet in ROTJ, the 'Return of the Jedi' is clearly referring to Anakin, but then again most people didn't get that either.

For another question... I was in a packed theater last night... and the scene where Yoda walked into the Emperors chambers, and quickly dispatched of his guards using the force, the WHOLE THEATER erupted in laughter, then applause. This happen anywhere else?

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yes

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For another question... I was in a packed theater last night... and the scene where Yoda walked into the Emperors chambers, and quickly dispatched of his guards using the force, the WHOLE THEATER erupted in laughter, then applause. This happen anywhere else?

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That, plus R2-D2 kicking ass everywhere he went.

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There was definitely way too much applauding whenever Yoda did something. He's a Jedi, he's supposed to kick ass.

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For another question... I was in a packed theater last night... and the scene where Yoda walked into the Emperors chambers, and quickly dispatched of his guards using the force, the WHOLE THEATER erupted in laughter, then applause. This happen anywhere else?

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That, plus R2-D2 kicking ass everywhere he went.

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When they said to wipe C3P0's memory, they forgot to say: "And cripple the R2 unit, since presently he's the most powerful thing in the galaxy."

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When they said to wipe C3P0's memory, they forgot to say: "And cripple the R2 unit, since presently he's the most powerful thing in the galaxy."


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Whats annoying is that there were about 100x in the original 3 episodes that he could have used his fighting abilities, or ability to fly. Yet more evidence that Lucas made up the movies as he went along.

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When they said to wipe C3P0's memory, they forgot to say: "And cripple the R2 unit, since presently he's the most powerful thing in the galaxy."


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Whats annoying is that there were about 100x in the original 3 episodes that he could have used his fighting abilities, or ability to fly. Yet more evidence that Lucas made up the movies as he went along.

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It's tough because the obvious preferred viewing method is 4,5,6,1,2,3, or 4,5,6,2,3 (1 didn't need to be made).

Given that, it's almost forgivable that Lucas made a key character that everyone loved stronger than they were at first.

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I also gave it an 8. I really liked it (much better than I and II), but it left me with a weird feeling. I guess this is expected knowing that it could not end with a happy ending.

Two parts of the movie that immediately set wrong with me were:

1. Anakin committed too quickly (in the scene with the Emperor) to the dark side. They should have shown him struggling more with this decision.

2. Darth Vader's "Nooooooooooooooooo" at the end was cheesy. It would have been better for him to just fall to his knees in silence.

I do like the fact that Obi Wan went to Tatoine to "watch" after Luke. It never dawned on me before that this was the reason old Ben was out in the desert by himself all this time.

I believe balance has been restored with this movie.