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3/6 Commerce with jason_t, gaming mouse and private joker

a total donk limps UTG, folded to jason in the hijack who limps, i raise ATs on the button, retard lady calls in the SB, BB folds, rest call. 4 to the flop for 8SB.

AJ3r, none of my suit
SB checks, donk utg bets, jason raises, what's my action and plan for the rest of the hand?

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Jason's got three likely hands here -- A weak A (A6s), some jack, or 33. I 3-bet the flop and slowdown after that if he keeps the gas on.

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reraise. if it is capped go into check/call mode if you remain UI.

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reraise, and expect jason_t to fold to the 3-bet after raising, which is his normal line with a set of 3s.

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Are you guys playing well or grabbing ass?

If he's got you beat I would guess A3s. I don't know if he would play a set of 3's this way, but it seems doubful, no? He could also have a few hands with a Jack and he's testing the waters.

I would probably 3-bet the flop and hope to get the stragglers out behind me, then bet the turn and fold if he check-raises.

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Are you guys playing well or grabbing ass?

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We're playing well.

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3bet to make the donk call incorrectly with a 4-5 outer or something like that and get value from jason. If jason caps it, there are 2-3 combos of A3s he could have, 3 of 33. You might have odds to see the river hoping he has a3 and you have 6+ outs (usually 9 unless the turn is 2 or ace).

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If he's got you beat I would guess A3s. I don't know if he would play a set of 3's this way, but it seems doubful, no? He could also have a few hands with a Jack and he's testing the waters.

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I like a raise on the flop better than a smoothcall if he has 33. If he calls the donk bet then calls again after I raise the flop, I'm not betting the turn. However, that's just how I'd play 33 if I were in his position. I don't think jason would raise the flop with a Jack.

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Jason's got three likely hands here -- A weak A (A6s), some jack, or 33. I 3-bet the flop and slowdown after that if he keeps the gas on.

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3-bet.

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Jason's got three likely hands here -- A weak A (A6s), some jack, or 33. I 3-bet the flop and slowdown after that if he keeps the gas on.

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Does that mean you guys would call down if he caps the flop or c/r the turn?

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3-bet to help Jason grow a big pot for his set. Thats what friends are for!

PS: Every time I see your avatar all I can think of is that Tank must be so embarrassed that he is in your avatar taking a leak. It cracks me up!

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i would call jason's raise and plan on calling down unless I spiked a jack or a ten.

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I seriously doubt he raise a set of 3s here. I do it to mix up my play as a thinking player is going to be aware of what Im doing if I call, raise the turn (especially if I just smoothcall a re-raise)...or call down and raise the river, etc.

Most likely its an A or possibly AJo (or does he re-raise this here)???

Then again it could be a he knows, u know, hes knows sort of thing and really does have a set.

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FWIW I think it is very unlikely that jason_t has an A here, as any A he wants to play he's probably raising to isolate, unless he can assume loose blinds (not unreasonable at live 3/6). so perhaps it's slightly more likely than at party 3/6 that jason has an ace.

I really like a three bet here on the flop, because jason will probably not cap one pair on the flop with players trapped, so a cap from him will make things easier for you on the big streets, and you know UTG is gonna call the two bets with his A7s or JT or whatever.

also, if you call the flop and raise jason_t's turn bet, at that point the donk will probably be able to find a fold which is bad.

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Jason's got three likely hands here -- A weak A (A6s), some jack, or 33. I 3-bet the flop and slowdown after that if he keeps the gas on.

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Does that mean you guys would call down if he caps the flop or c/r the turn?

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Joke answer: I c/r the turn and cap if he 3-bets, because I will river that nit 75% of the time.

Real answer: Call down would be my line, yeah. You c/r?

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Real answer: Call down would be my line, yeah. You c/r?

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I'm on the button..I meant if jason checkraises me on the turn do you call down?

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it depends on the turn card, as I have hidden outs versus A3s which is his only likely two pair holding. but unless there are head games I have not been made aware of, I think calling a turn CR after you three bet a drawless flop would be giving money away

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Hi Bakku,

I'm suprised nobody has considered just calling the flop raise intending to just call down. By the turn, you don't have to worry about protecting your hand so much because any hand with a piece of this flop has 3-5 outs agaisnt you while you're drawing slim when you're behind and from what I understand Jason is the type of player that can make good tough folds, so there's not much value in raising a turn either.

[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Kailia

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3/6 Commerce with jason_t, gaming mouse and private joker

a total donk limps UTG, folded to jason in the hijack who limps, i raise ATs on the button, retard lady calls in the SB, BB folds, rest call. 4 to the flop for 8SB.

AJ3r, none of my suit
SB checks, donk utg bets, jason raises, what's my action and plan for the rest of the hand?

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I don't care what he has. he played it like [censored]

I hate terms like "donk" because they don't describe what type of player it is. obviously loose but aggressive, passive, average? it's impossible to say based on this information

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Are you guys playing well or grabbing ass?

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We're playing well.

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well you aren't based on your preflop play (and I most likely don't like your flop play either) [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Hi Bakku,

I'm suprised nobody has considered just calling the flop raise intending to just call down. By the turn, you don't have to worry about protecting your hand so much because any hand with a piece of this flop has 3-5 outs agaisnt you while you're drawing slim when you're behind and from what I understand Jason is the type of player that can make good tough folds, so there's not much value in raising a turn either.

[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Kailia

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this is true, but we're still missing a critical piece of information, and that's whether this player is aggressive or passive.

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3/6 Commerce with jason_t, gaming mouse and private joker

a total donk limps UTG, folded to jason in the hijack who limps, i raise ATs on the button, retard lady calls in the SB, BB folds, rest call. 4 to the flop for 8SB.

AJ3r, none of my suit
SB checks, donk utg bets, jason raises, what's my action and plan for the rest of the hand?

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I don't care what he has. he played it like [censored]

I hate terms like "donk" because they don't describe what type of player it is. obviously loose but aggressive, passive, average? it's impossible to say based on this information

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Hey Josh, at this point in the night I'd say I had him read as aggressive until faced with any resistance.

edit: How does UTG's aggression level affect the way you would play this hand?

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I don't care what he has. he played it like [censored]

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I play 33 the same way here.

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well jason's read is presumably similar, so you can get a gauge of how lightly he might be raising. maybe he's raising a JTs or J8s type hand figuring the donk could be betting a draw and you're tight enough to muck KK for 2 bets, but not one. I don't think he has 33. I think this is a good time to slowplay the flop. I think my line here is to call the flop and raise the turn. he pretty much has to bet the turn. I think he has a J.

and yeah I gues a limp with 44-22 are ok here. he's known as a nit so I don't know if he's raising J8s-J9s here as he probably should, even though I don't know the table dynamic

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3/6 Commerce with jason_t, gaming mouse and private joker

a total donk limps UTG, folded to jason in the hijack who limps, i raise ATs on the button, retard lady calls in the SB, BB folds, rest call. 4 to the flop for 8SB.

AJ3r, none of my suit
SB checks, donk utg bets, jason raises, what's my action and plan for the rest of the hand?

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I think I'm calling this down. I have no idea what he could have that would make sense to raise with.

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Are we talking about jason or UTG?

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3/6 Commerce with jason_t, gaming mouse and private joker

a total donk limps UTG, folded to jason in the hijack who limps, i raise ATs on the button, retard lady calls in the SB, BB folds, rest call. 4 to the flop for 8SB.

AJ3r, none of my suit
SB checks, donk utg bets, jason raises, what's my action and plan for the rest of the hand?

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I don't care what he has. he played it like [censored]

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What makes you say this?

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Sorry for soundin retarded but i'd fold this with your hand being marginal at best but i don't know who jason_t is. Can someone explain to me why 3 betting seems the best idea here plz.

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Sorry for soundin retarded but i'd fold this with your hand being marginal at best but i don't know who jason_t is. Can someone explain to me why 3 betting seems the best idea here plz.

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I'm jason_t. I'm a nit and I'm proud of it.

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Sorry for soundin retarded but i'd fold this with your hand being marginal at best but i don't know who jason_t is. Can someone explain to me why 3 betting seems the best idea here plz.

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I'm jason_t. I'm a nit and I'm proud of it.

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wtf?

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Are you guys playing well or grabbing ass?

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We're playing well.

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well you aren't based on your preflop play (and I most likely don't like your flop play either) [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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You don't even know what I'm holding! Given what I am holding, I think that I took a good line here.

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You don't even know what I'm holding! Given what I am holding, I think that I took a good line here.

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I agree. I remember this hand (I was on jason's right) and I think Jason's line is fine considering his holding -- and that's both preflop and post-flop. I can see an argument for Jason calling the flop and raising the turn, but the problem with that is calling may get a raise from Bukkake, and if that happened, Jason would have to call the flop raise and probably fold the turn UI.

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Ok so I'm too lazy to type out my thoughts so just look at what Kailia wrote, she pretty much summed up what I was thinking. Although I like it I'm still not sure if it's the best line.

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Hi Bakku,

I'm suprised nobody has considered just calling the flop raise intending to just call down. By the turn, you don't have to worry about protecting your hand so much because any hand with a piece of this flop has 3-5 outs agaisnt you while you're drawing slim when you're behind and from what I understand Jason is the type of player that can make good tough folds, so there's not much value in raising a turn either.

[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Kailia

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3/6 Commerce with jason_t, gaming mouse and private joker

a total donk limps UTG, folded to jason in the hijack who limps, i raise ATs on the button, retard lady calls in the SB, BB folds, rest call. 4 to the flop for 8SB.

AJ3r, none of my suit
SB checks, donk utg bets, jason raises, what's my action and plan for the rest of the hand?

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I coldcalled, utg called.

turn is an 8 completing the rainbow, check, jason bets, i call, utg calls.

river was a K, check, jason bets, i call, i forget if the donk called or not.

jason has A9s, i win

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Sorry for soundin retarded but i'd fold this with your hand being marginal at best but i don't know who jason_t is. Can someone explain to me why 3 betting seems the best idea here plz.

A

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I'm jason_t. I'm a nit and I'm proud of it.

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wtf?

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Those beats drive you so insane that you developed multiple personalities that post on your account to mock your nittiness?

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Call the flop.

If the turn goes check/bet you raise intending to fold to a 3-bet (set) from jasonnit. He won't 3-bet A3s there. If jasonnit just calls the turn then the river is a bit of a guessing game. I would always bet if a donk is still in the hand and will usually bet HU with jasonnit. But a nice thing about playing live is you can see how he reacts to your turn action.

If it goes bet/raise you call but fold the river unimproved (unless the turn card is a 3 or a 2). The pot is big enough to call to try to counterfeit 2-pair and make up for the times he does have bottom set.

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Ok so I'm too lazy to type out my thoughts so just look at what Kailia wrote, she pretty much summed up what I was thinking. Although I like it I'm still not sure if it's the best line.

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Hi Bakku,

I'm suprised nobody has considered just calling the flop raise intending to just call down. By the turn, you don't have to worry about protecting your hand so much because any hand with a piece of this flop has 3-5 outs agaisnt you while you're drawing slim when you're behind and from what I understand Jason is the type of player that can make good tough folds, so there's not much value in raising a turn either.

[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Kailia

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3/6 Commerce with jason_t, gaming mouse and private joker

a total donk limps UTG, folded to jason in the hijack who limps, i raise ATs on the button, retard lady calls in the SB, BB folds, rest call. 4 to the flop for 8SB.

AJ3r, none of my suit
SB checks, donk utg bets, jason raises, what's my action and plan for the rest of the hand?

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I coldcalled, utg called.

turn is an 8 completing the rainbow, check, jason bets, i call, utg calls.

river was a K, check, jason bets, i call, i forget if the donk called or not.

jason has A9s, i win

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Meh. The donk wants to pay multiple bets and you should oblige him. Also, you're Asian, so I don't think jasonnit is folding an Ace here, and the only spot he can really fold is on the river.