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Daniel Negreanu 05-14-2005 09:38 AM

A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
If you act now and your name is Mason Malmuth or David Sklansky you can take advantage of an astounding 10% rebate on your money in a heads up match against Daniel Negreanu!

Rush to your phones gentlemen as this is a limited time offer for memebers only!!! Not only will you receive 10% of your money back, you'll also get to choose how much you want to risk! (Between $100,000 to $500,000)

Not only that, you will ALSO get to pick your game of choice! That's right, for a limited time only you will receive:

-a 10% rebate on your money
-your choice of stakes (min. 100K)
-your choice of game

An offer too good too pass up? Absolutely! Mr.Negreanu has already given away $200,000 to lucky winner David Oppenheim anf you Mr.Sklansky or Mr.Malmuth could be our next big winner!

Remember to act now as this is a limited time offer. An offer so good it's IMPOSSIBLE to refuse!!!

Mr.Malmuth has said it himself, "Daniel will be an underdog in almost all of the matches he plays." You heard it here folks, Mr.Malmuth has stepped out and made his claim... is he willing to back it up with some greenbacks? Inquiring minds want to know. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

xorbie 05-14-2005 09:45 AM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
I, for one, love it.

Yeti 05-14-2005 09:56 AM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
You really seem to have something against David and Mason, which I find somewhat bizarre.

Of course Mason is entitled that claim. It's likely the majority of matches you will be playing players at games they are better than you at. As you can see, this has already begun.

Paradigm 05-14-2005 10:08 AM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
Man, everybody is so quick to judge on this board.

West 05-14-2005 10:32 AM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
When Mason said he believes you'd be an underdog in most of the matches you play, he clearly wasn't referring to the odds of you playing himself or David S. He's just speculating on you're likely opposition. So I think you're going to have a tough time goading one of them into one of your matches.

How many players in the world wouldn't be an underdog, if they figured to be taking on, one by one, some of the best players in the world, each at their best games? We're not talking Seattle Supersonics/San Antonio Spurs type dog - more like Spurs - Miami Heat (who's the dog?)

David I believe has said that he isn't too comfortable playing for 100k or 50k, and I think he said he'd want to receive 1.25 to 1 and play Stud/8 or better (blinds?) to take you on. I don't think 10 to 9 will do it for him.

Also, I believe he's said that he wouldn't feel right playing at the Wynn right now, since the Bellagio is currently hosting a trial of a game he created.

Even when he picks the game, it's not like David feels he has anything but a small edge over you. I think his only real interest in the idea is if you are willing to lay him enough odds to make risking that amount of money worth it to him. And since he clearly doesn't relish risking that amount of money on a "coin flip", you're basically going to have to make a suckers bet to get him to play you heads up for big money.

tylerdurden 05-14-2005 10:54 AM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
What are you, Sklansky's agent or something?

WSOPwinner10 05-14-2005 11:17 AM

lmao
 
yeah Daniel!

West 05-14-2005 12:20 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
well no...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night!

trying2learn 05-14-2005 12:26 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
considering the turn-out last night, these challenges will continue. i'd be suprised if steve w isn't helping to back some (if not all) of these endeavors. they will continue to pack the place if david o. v daniel can draw that well...just imagine what more recognizable names will do.

TheShootah 05-14-2005 12:28 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
This is a really funny post, although I would like to see the match regardless.

Steve Giufre 05-14-2005 01:02 PM

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well no...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night!

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LOL. Actually I thought your first post was dead on.

TomCollins 05-14-2005 01:06 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
You idiots actually believe its Daniel, thats whats so funny.

jeffraider 05-14-2005 01:17 PM

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You idiots actually believe its Daniel, thats whats so funny.

[/ QUOTE ]

It is Daniel.

Shaman 05-14-2005 01:27 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
No its not. But its his personal assistant. Same thing, I guess.

Dynasty 05-14-2005 01:51 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
[ QUOTE ]
considering the turn-out last night, these challenges will continue. i'd be suprised if steve w isn't helping to back some (if not all) of these endeavors. they will continue to pack the place if david o. v daniel can draw that well...just imagine what more recognizable names will do.

[/ QUOTE ]

Why would Wynn put up hundreds of thousands of dollars to get (a few dozen?) people into his casino to watch the game. It's not like the match is getting any publicity for Wynn.

memphis_aces 05-14-2005 02:05 PM

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I gotta agree with dynasty here.... although I wouldn't be surprised to see them eating SOME of Daniel's action. Enough to make it +EV for daniel. This will provide some pretty good exposure for the new room... the kind that it's hard for money to buy.

trying2learn 05-14-2005 02:11 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
go read paul phillips post in his journal today. it's no coincidence that the poker room had its first HUGE night last night. not to mention the fact that daniel could win these things...i think it's incredibly naive to think that wynn isn't helping or behind this in some way.

maybe my post about half or most was a little out of line, but i promise you - it's worth it to steve for these things to go down and to continue...win or lose for dan.

Dynasty 05-14-2005 02:30 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
I gotta agree with dynasty here.... although I wouldn't be surprised to see them eating SOME of Daniel's action. Enough to make it +EV for daniel. This will provide some pretty good exposure for the new room... the kind that it's hard for money to buy.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think this is doing anything significant for Wynn. Perhaps I'm unaware of this getting publicity other than in poker forums.

For the record, Daniel has gone on record saying that he is putting up 100% of the money he is playing with.

Daniel Negreanu:

For the record: ALL of the money is being put up me me, 100%


from Daniel's blog

You have to scroll down a bit to see Daniel's comment.

trying2learn 05-14-2005 02:36 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
you do realize that danny is a paid employee (of sorts) don't you?

and yes, the buzz that this creates locally is much bigger than just internet chat rooms and poker forums.

dan is a poker ambassador (i believe is his title)...his job is to get people into the poker room...he is paid a fee for this, with an understanding that he won't play elsewhere live - except for tournaments.

this challenge makes him a VERY valuable employee.

David Sklansky 05-14-2005 02:53 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
It is important to understand that the terms I said I would agree to were not actually made as a challenge to Daniel. Rather they were to counter any perception that I consider myself a substantial underdog to the ultra high players and would avoid them at any cost. Keep in mind I would not take 11-10 on a 100K as a 52% shot.

But again for the record, if Daniel is that anxious to play me in a way that the Bellagio won't particularly mind, I will go on record as saying that I will risk my own money in the following three ways:

Hi Lo Regular getting 33,000 to 30,000 odds

Hi Lo 8/B getting 23,500 to 20,000 odds

Hi Lo 8/B getting 50,000 to 40,000 odds.

To get up to his 100,000 threshhold, someone would have to take a piece of me or the odds would have to be sweetened.

Sightless 05-14-2005 03:18 PM

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this is fun -_-

greg nice 05-14-2005 03:27 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
perhaps Mason will man up then..

BeerMoney 05-14-2005 03:31 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
Can I be part of a team that helps make this happen?

TomHimself 05-14-2005 03:32 PM

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You idiots actually believe its Daniel, thats whats so funny.

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it is daniel you idiot [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

TomCollins 05-14-2005 04:08 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
Wow, I didn't expect that Daniel would sound like that much of a retard.

Anyway, still seems pretty gullible. I should create a new name "God", and post on the psychology forum to prove David wrong.

1p0kerb0y 05-14-2005 04:15 PM

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Why would Wynn put up hundreds of thousands of dollars to get (a few dozen?) people into his casino to watch the game. It's not like the match is getting any publicity for Wynn.


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How about Wynn trying to get the big games permanently running in the Wynn instead of the Bellagio. This would definitely generate more traffic.

CrackerZack 05-14-2005 04:22 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
I love this post in an unnatural way. David's response couldn't have been predicted better by Gary Carson. If I thought myself the foremost authority on anything poker related, I'd pony up for this, but I'm just a mediocre limit player that drinks too much and gets lucky. Good luck to you Daniel and your oversized testes.

Mason Malmuth 05-14-2005 04:23 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
Daniel:

Your challenge is silly. Heads-up poker is not something I do or have ever done. So I agree that you would probably have a small edge against me. Does that make you feel better?

But I do stand on my previous statement that most of those who do take you up on your offer will be a favorite over you. So if you're so anxious to lay me 11-to-10, let me bet on some of those players with those odds.

By the way, I'm literally crushed with publishing work, Harrington on Hold 'em, Volume II is top priority at the moment. It will be followed by other important books including Theory and Practice of No Limit Hold 'em by David Sklansky and Ed Miller. So I'll only be in Wynn occasionally the next couple of months.

Mason

BadBoyBenny 05-14-2005 05:01 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
[ QUOTE ]
For the record: ALL of the money is being put up me me, 100%


[/ QUOTE ]

They said the same thing about Win Ben Stein's Money

dsm 05-14-2005 05:09 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
The guantlet (and matching purse) has been thrown down, you must except!

http://tri-stateantiques.com/tns/7976hand_small.jpg http://tri-stateantiques.com/tns/5722beadtn_small.jpg

dsm 05-14-2005 05:18 PM

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http://www.superworlds.com/sand.JPG

Zygote 05-14-2005 05:30 PM

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But I do stand on my previous statement that most of those who do take you up on your offer will be a favorite over you. So if you're so anxious to lay me 11-to-10, let me bet on some of those players with those odds.

[/ QUOTE ]

Why don't you stake Sklansky then? Or stake the amount he isn't willing to gamble with. The person who follows a non-self-weighting strategy shoots big when he knows he has the best of it.

I know i've oversimplified this, but wanted to run the idea by you.

MCS 05-14-2005 06:08 PM

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By the way, I'm literally crushed with publishing work

[/ QUOTE ]

Yikes!

csuf_gambler 05-14-2005 06:13 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
mr. negrenu would crush all these h0es

-Skeme- 05-14-2005 06:19 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
http://img241.echo.cx/img241/9729/pe...egreanu6oh.jpg

Daniel Baldwin

SoftcoreRevolt 05-14-2005 06:29 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
Well now we know why he can't stake David, he's trapped under a mountain of manuscripts.

WHY DOESN'T SOMEONE HELP HIM?

And how'd he get internet access.

HelloGoodbye 05-14-2005 07:03 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
Great to see not much has changed with you over the years.

dogmeat 05-14-2005 07:39 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
Jeez, Mason, I don't think Daniel's challenge is silly. He is offering to play you because he considers it a good bet. Pretty simple. Maybe he wanted to see if you were willing to say he would be a slight favorite, and you were big enough to do that. Good for you. Nothing wrong with passing on what you consider a bad bet. However, saying you are too busy to play for an evening, that's pushing it.

Dogmeat [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

citanul 05-14-2005 07:56 PM

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However, saying you are too busy to play for an evening, that's pushing it.

Dogmeat [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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Hm, not really so much...

Let's say that he believes that he would in fact be a 1% favorite or 2% favorite against Dan N in a game of MM's choice, and that he's willing to play him for 100k as his maximum. That means that the bet would have EV (ignoring the cashback incentive being offered) of somewhere between $1,000 and $2,000. Something tells me that being sure to get his book out on time is worth quite a bit more than that to him at the moment. Possibly even on a "per day" basis, until the book is to the printer. I'm not sure exactly what MM stands to make from the release of the upcoming book, but if it's less than $60,000 or so I'd be pretty shocked.

citanul

TransientR 05-14-2005 08:48 PM

Re: A Special One Time Offer!!!
 
Daniel,

Why don't you yourself find someone to take a piece of David or Mason (maybe Steve Wynn)? Since neither of them want to play for 100K even with the spot. Of course since David says he won't play at the Wynn out of respect for the Bellagio, and Mason says he is too busy, even that probably wouldn't work.

I do find that these two renowned poker theoreticians talking like heads-up poker is some kind of an alien thing to them to strain credulity.

Best of luck with your future contests.

Frank


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