99 in the SB (30/60)
 

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Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

River: (10 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 9c 9h (two pair, nines and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 11 BB. </font>

Re: 99 in the SB (30/60)
 

This looks like a play I could have made, and lately I have found myself thinking maybe I am over-using marginal aggression.

I think checkraising 99 on a Q-8-2 board against a preflop raisor betting into five opponents, with 3 of these still in the hand at the point you checkraise, is streching it too far.

Of course, the rainbow, ragged nature of the board helps the checkraise-cause but not enough I think.

No matter what MP2 held, I think he played his hand pretty poorly.

lars

Re: 99 in the SB (30/60)
 

It seems like MP2 has some sort of Ace-King hand and has an extremely long fishing pole.

Re: 99 in the SB (30/60)
 

This flop check raise worked perfectly, if you get a cold caller or two you should probably give up.

Given that you didn't, the turn bet is perfect. After MP2 calls however, he probably has either JJ or AK. He'll call the river with JJ, probably won't w/ AK. Check/call the river, and give him a chance to bluff.

lf

Re: 99 in the SB (30/60)
 

Flop is fine, turn is fine. Check-call the river. It's unlikely he's paying you off with a worse hand but might bluff with it and also might check through TT/JJ.

Re: 99 in the SB (30/60)
 

Would calling the flop and making a move on the turn have been a better option (given a safe card)? Maybe I consider this now, only because a safe card fell - LOL.

Re: 99 in the SB (30/60)
 

If MP2 had A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] do you still think he played it poorly? What should he have done differently?

Re: 99 in the SB (30/60)
 

I don't like in this case because you are in perfect position to knock people out here on the flop, and there will be a lot of unsafe turns where you might still be ahead but might prevent you from pulling the trigger on a turn c/r. Also, no guarantee that your opponent bets the turn if it's a blank.

Re: 99 in the SB (30/60)
 

Would you have just called Lars? What's your action on the turn?

Re: 99 in the SB (30/60)
 

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Would calling the flop and making a move on the turn have been a better option (given a safe card)?

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C'mon, not a chance. You will have no idea how to play the turn and there will be a decent field. OP line is the only legit one.

Re: 99 in the SB (30/60)
 

That's the only other line I see w/ a hint of aggression, the alternatives being check/call and fold. Curious to hear what Lars has to say.

Re: 99 in the SB (30/60)
 

I agree with those who said that the only necessary to change is check/calling the river to hopefully induce a bluff, but I think the caveat should be added that this is the right *default* play. How you played it might have been correct if you had appropriate data on him.

Another possible change would be 3betting preflop if you can be pretty certain that the BB and one of the early limpers would fold, but that's another "read" play and not the default.

Re: 99 in the SB (30/60)
 

It's very close, and I would probably raise or fold myself. But probably close between all three options to be honest. I would probably have raised it, but I am in a phase where I am starting to second-guess plays excactly like that.

I think I have been pushing marginal edges to an extent where I need to revert back to playing slightly tighter and picking my situations and spots for betting and raising more selectively.

lars

Re: 99 in the SB (30/60)
 

What A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] should consider doing differently:

- Not betting into five opponents with Ace-King on a Q-8-4 rainbow board.

- Raising the turn, when after betting the flop, he gets it headsup to the turn, albeit for two bets, this must be almost better than expected, he hits a very nice turn and could put severe pressure on all hands up to Queens with a mediocre kicker with a raise here. He will also get a free showdown which is not entirely worthless here I think.

- Paying off the river. The turn cards allows him to get to the river without much thought, now he's here with the nut pair of Deuces in a 11 big bet pot. The last one is of course debateable, but if his belief in AK in that low, it's not consistent with betting into five guys on the flop. I mean, is he hoping for five folds on the flop or two callers that will fold the turn??

lars

Re: 99 in the SB (30/60)
 

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If MP2 had A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] do you still think he played it poorly? What should he have done differently?

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check the flop