Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

I'm suprised there hasn't been more discussion on this matter, and I was hoping someone else would make this thread who may have more to say that I do.

It seems that our generally accepted bubble strategy is also accepted by Giga, but he clearly plays a different early game then most of us would ever dare advocate.

It seems that Giga looks for situations in which he will have position on opponents, and plays very aggressively, regardless of his hand.

I don't know if he puts them on a specific range, or actual hands, or if he has notes on the players to know who he can bluff off of what hand. What do you think? I assume he puts them on a range, and that he has notes on many players.

One note I took from the HH is that you can risk a decent amount of chips to win a smaller amount, as long as the odds are there. For instance, raising on a steal in late position to t90, just to take the t45 in blinds. If they're gonna fold 80% of the time, why not take the +EV? even if it's small.

In conclusion, I think to ignore the gift we were just given would be very silly of us. This HH challenges ideas that we don't even question.

I'm sure that many plays made by Giga should not be recommended to those starting out, but if he is playing closer to optimally than I am, which he is, I wanna find out why.

Let's discuss.

-Jman

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

I think the texture of that table is quite different than any other table. But he picked his spots very well.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

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I'm suprised there hasn't been more discussion on this matter, and I was hoping someone else would make this thread who may have more to say that I do.

It seems that our generally accepted bubble strategy is also accepted by Giga, but he clearly plays a different early game then most of us would ever dare advocate.


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I think you have to be a little careful about extrapolating from a single $15k Step 5 higher to what works in other games. Maybe this is gig's standard strategy, maybe it isn't. Maybe it was a smart and pronounced adjustment to intimidate players who were playing scared at these stakes.

eastbay

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

I agree that the HH was very interesting and provides some nice examples of why Gigabet is a dominant player.

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It seems that Giga looks for situations in which he will have position on opponents, and plays very aggressively, regardless of his hand.

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Definitely - he made a big post that touches on this a while back that I'm sure you've read. The thing that doesn't come through in the history is his reads. I can't imagine he's making those plays solely based on position - he had some great reads and they played out brilliantly throughout the tournament. Until we can make reads on the same level he does, these plays aren't going to work as well for "us." It's a skill worth practicing, for sure. We'll need it as we move up.

In addition, that table was unlike the average table seen at the low to mid level SNGs. I'm sure he knew many of those players quite well and put that information to good use. Many of those players were at least somewhat thoughtful about the game, and are capable of laying down when Giga plays a hand just like he has AA - whether or not he actually has it that time.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

1. Playing the 15K players in a 100K first prize SNG is a lot different than playing a 22 or 55 or 109 or whatever. Gigabet also knows more about his opponents than anyone else, half because he plays against more regular players (as opposed to low limits where there are thousands) and he looks up what his opponents muck, and generally plays tons of hands and pay a lot of attention his opponents. I doubt he had an episode of South Park running in the background during the Step 5 higher. Like I do when I play.

2. This is just the basic question, which is more important, playing some small edge pots early or never opening yourself up to big losses and getting to the bubble intact most of the time. When I play NL cash games I push tons of small edges. When I play SNGs I don't. This is the crux of the question: Are SNG players using a common 2+2 strategy missing points on their ROI by not pushing small edges early? Discuss.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

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I think you have to be a little careful about extrapolating from a single $15k Step 5 higher to what works in other games. Maybe this is gig's standard strategy, maybe it isn't. Maybe it was a smart and pronounced adjustment to intimidate players who were playing scared at these stakes.


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I agree with you that this is probably a bit different than his usual strategy. With the stakes being so high, and the payout structure being so top-heavy, accumulating chips early by bluffing becomes more important.

However, I think there is plenty to take from this HH. Even with the stucture in mind, I'm sure many of us would never have considered some of the plays made.

We shouldn't ignore this just because it makes our view of optimal SnG strategy more complex and because we might have to question our own advice. I was worried that was happening.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

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which is more important, playing some small edge pots early or never opening yourself up to big losses

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The thing is, he never really opened himself up to big losses.

The hand where he called the pf raise with (I believe) Q9o, and then reraised the flop (ATx) bet from 100 to 300, that was all he was risking.

He wasn't, I assume, going to call any reraise or bet on later streets, unless a miracle hit. So he would've been left with enough stack to manouver.

This is definitely pronounced in this tourney because of the payout stucture, but I still think it's important that we realize how little he's actually risking.

It's a topic discussed in Reuben and Ciaffone's book, about threatening the opponents whole stack with only part of yours, because they have to worry about later streets.

Early in the tourney is the time to do this because later, we actually have to risk our entire stack to threaten theirs.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

hm, I missed this tourney...can anyone paste the hand history or provide a link to it?

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

I know for sure that the moves he made re-raising the EP raiser on a bluff would not work 80% of the time at the $22s.

Essentially, what he's doing IMO is using his opponents knowledge of the gap theory, and some big nuts, to his advantage. I think what he's playing to is that the EP raiser knows he's supposed to know he has to have a big hand to raise from EP, therefore the EP raiser must put him on a monster hand.

At the 22s, I always re-raise with a monster hand and the early raiser (as well as one or two more) almost always calls. Forget bluffing in this situation, because you're going to get called....

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

He played very well - but he also got lucky at the points where he did expose himself slightly to chip loss.

For example...
T6h hand - If he lost that, he woulda been back down to 1300-ish instead of 2400.

KK vs AJ - Losing this would have killed his chances

44 vs K6 - I like this play because he has XL so outchipped that even if he does lose the coinflip, he can still easily win.

The 2 previous hands, being 40/60 dog and a 70/30 favorite were the 2 hands that really allowed him to win.

If he lost either of those 2, the tournament would have changed drastically.

The play with the Q9 and the steal with 45 are classic plays or trapping a continuation bet/bluff.

Nice job

Blackjack

Link
 

Linky winky

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

Step 5 Higher (First 4 Levels) W/ Gig's hand

Almost there with Success and Failure (Long)

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

I agree. I just think it would be foolish not to strongly consider the context here which is significantly different from most games where we are looking to apply any strategy we might want to glean from the HH.

It is a very interesting HH, no matter how you slice it.

eastbay

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

Obviously, everyone needs a little luck to win. I wasn't saying that if we can play like Giga did, we would always win. I'm just looking at strategy implications.

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The play with the Q9 and the steal with 45 are classic plays or trapping a continuation bet/bluff.


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Are you saying that these are plays that you would've made? Or that they even would've entered your mind? Because I would've never considered calling that raise with Q9 myself.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

I think we are on the same page.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

thanks...

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

I think that part of the reason for Giga to even post this for us was to break out of the rigid walls established by a lot of the forum discussion. You can start a thread on "Beating the party step 5 higher", but Giga is saying that you really need a thread on "Beating party step 5 higher tournament #9721574298 vs players x, y, and z on the third hand of level two in seventh position with 1250 chips facing a 50 chip open raise from player jimbob with Q9o and players tony, sam, and ned to act behind you".

The point is, the majority of the time this is an easy muck for a hand like Q9o. That's what the rules say. But did the rules talk about this specific spot? No, so you can't assume that they're right. You have to analyze even the "easy" hands situationally, considering a boatload of factors, even if 99.8% of the time you end up making the same play.

At low levels, the rules work so well that you're better off spending that extra concentration on your other 15 tables on your quad monitor setup. You can kill the games with simple rules and simple plays. But the better the players get, the less your rules earn you, and the more you have to beat them with a brain instead of a checklist.

This is an amazingly dynamic game. It's a game of people and position more than a game of cards. Everyone knows that, but few understand it.

-Kings

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

The stakes the type of competition, and most importantly the VERY steep payout structure had to play a big factor in those risky early decisions.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

I can see a fold from AK against his Q9. That said, I don't see that fold in 90+% of the tournys I play, and it's certainly not there in a 10+1.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

Good point.

In a wide variety of fields -- avalanche safety, commercial aviation, credit scoring, etc. -- there are two approaches to making decisions: rules-based or knowledge-based.

Regardless of the field, participants in time-stressed, information-rich, repetitive tasks (sound anything like multi-tabling SNGs? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]) often develop rules-based systems to simplify decision-making. Moreover, novices are generally taught rules-based systems.

Rules-based systems have many advantages. They can be taught more easily. They lead to quicker decisions. They approximate an expert's knowledge-based decision-making. However, such systems suffer from limitations, including overlooking ambiguities and nuances in the data.

Knowledge-based decision-making is left for the big boys, who have gathered a base of experience sufficient to make judgment calls. What we see here is the difference between a "how to beat the party 10+1" rules-based system and knowledge-based decision-making by an expert.

The Shadow

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

Jman, I think there is a lot to learn from reading the STEP 5 higher HH from Giga's point of view.

Foremost, we got a glimpse of what it is like to play a game for stakes we don't play. With higher calibre players.

What do I think we can take from this game and apply to our current games? In terms of pure game play, not the mental side of the game, IMO, very little.

On the $55s and $33s, these guys can't lay down marginal hands. The calibre of play is very suspect. As long as I continue to play very straight forward poker, with few moves to get me into trouble, I will continue to have a positive ROI.

For example, when it's 6 handed, with 50/100 blinds, and I reraise a mini limper with AK and they still continue to call me with A6, there is just no reason to play any other way that straight forward shoot em up good cards poker!

Scuba
who has Yosemite Sam on the mind.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

bottom line- gigabet makes these plays because he is playing with players who are in many ways more predictable. they all know the strategy, they all have the basic theory. unlike 11 players, who can't read raises the same way and couldn't interpret someone's betting hints if they had a gun to their head. in this way, "better" players are easier to play against. they will put you on hands and make laydowns.

so i don't think it makes sense to take this strategy down lower, even to the 55s or 109s when more people have a clue. the +EV you gain from playing tight and proper is >> than the EV you gain from someone folding AQ to a reraise when they are out of position, or something a fishy low player would not do. you just have to play different players differently.

so don't go trying to beat the 22s this way. i think if gigabet tried to play the 22s in many ways he would just play straightforward and mostly correct. if he came across a decent 2+2er, someone a little more predictable, who raises like this with QQ-AA and will fold AK unimproved, semi weak tight, he would then go into smart mode and out think them.

this doesn't really have to do with what you do with small edges, and whether you should be raising you AQs and stuff from middle position, a +EV play which many 2+2ers pass up.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

Why isn't anyone reading that posted hand history, picking a hand that may or may not be the most optimal play, and ask what I was thinking when I made this play. I can almost promise this is the only HH I am publicly posting. And leave out the pure math plays, those should be obvious(scuba chuck scared me for about 5 minutes with that T6 post).

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

The Q9 cold call and steal on A high flop and the Q4s reraise from an utg raise stood out, can you explain your thought processes on these two hands?

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

As mentioned above: This hand. Your thoughts here on the reraise to a 100 chips bet which does not seems like a weak bet. Oh and calling this 50 chip bet in the first place as well.

#Game No : 2015156831
***** Hand History for Game 2015156831 *****
NL Hold'em $15000 Buy-in + $500 Entry Fee Trny:12010061 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Saturday, May 07, 21:57:10 EDT 2005
Table Step Higher 5 #1014153 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: cbristow ( $1055 )
Seat 2: seepspp ( $970 )
Seat 3: baxlog ( $1000 )
Seat 4: dj_dedrick ( $1000 )
Seat 5: genoa_st ( $1000 )
Seat 6: sjnjb ( $1000 )
Seat 7: Evenkeal ( $1000 )
Seat 8: pairofdeuces ( $990 )
Seat 9: scoots_mc ( $985 )
Seat 10: XLhomestead ( $1000 )
Trny:12010061 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Evenkeal [ 9d Qc ]
cbristow folds.
seepspp folds.
baxlog folds.
dj_dedrick raises [50].
genoa_st folds.
sjnjb folds.
Evenkeal calls [50].
pairofdeuces folds.
scoots_mc folds.
XLhomestead folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, Th, Ah ]
dj_dedrick bets [100].
Evenkeal raises [300].
dj_dedrick folds.
Evenkeal does not show cards.
Evenkeal wins 525 chips

H2
 

Why steal the blinds with 45 when they are this low?

#Game No : 2015194843
***** Hand History for Game 2015194843 *****
NL Hold'em $15000 Buy-in + $500 Entry Fee Trny:12010061 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Saturday, May 07, 22:05:00 EDT 2005
Table Step Higher 5 #1014153 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: cbristow ( $1055 )
Seat 2: seepspp ( $940 )
Seat 3: baxlog ( $1210 )
Seat 4: dj_dedrick ( $915 )
Seat 5: genoa_st ( $1025 )
Seat 6: sjnjb ( $975 )
Seat 7: Evenkeal ( $1175 )
Seat 8: pairofdeuces ( $960 )
Seat 9: scoots_mc ( $790 )
Seat 10: XLhomestead ( $955 )
Trny:12010061 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Evenkeal [ 4c 5d ]
cbristow folds.
seepspp folds.
baxlog folds.
dj_dedrick folds.
genoa_st folds.
sjnjb folds.
Evenkeal raises [90].
pairofdeuces folds.
scoots_mc folds.
XLhomestead folds.
Evenkeal does not show cards.
Evenkeal wins 135 chips
Game #2015197079 starts.

H3
 

Last one I could see because of the position but this one...gutsy. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

#Game No : 2015210560
***** Hand History for Game 2015210560 *****
NL Hold'em $15000 Buy-in + $500 Entry Fee Trny:12010061 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Saturday, May 07, 22:08:14 EDT 2005
Table Step Higher 5 #1014153 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: cbristow ( $975 )
Seat 2: seepspp ( $895 )
Seat 3: baxlog ( $1165 )
Seat 4: dj_dedrick ( $885 )
Seat 5: genoa_st ( $1285 )
Seat 6: sjnjb ( $975 )
Seat 7: Evenkeal ( $1190 )
Seat 9: scoots_mc ( $1595 )
Seat 10: XLhomestead ( $1035 )
Trny:12010061 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Evenkeal [ 7h 4h ]
sjnjb folds.
Evenkeal raises [90].
scoots_mc folds.
XLhomestead folds.
cbristow folds.
seepspp folds.
baxlog folds.
dj_dedrick folds.
genoa_st folds.
Evenkeal does not show cards.
Evenkeal wins 135 chips
Game #2015212337 starts.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

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As mentioned above: This hand. Your thoughts here on the reraise to a 100 chips bet which does not seems like a weak bet. Oh and calling this 50 chip bet in the first place as well.

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I would assume the whole reason you call this bet PF is so you can make a move just like he did postflop on a nice board. He has position on his opponent and expects him to fire out with a continuation bet on the flop, giving him a chance to take it away if he does. At this level, it's not likely that people are going to telegraph their weakness often by making a dinky continuation, so he makes a normal size bet. At lower levels this would be a tough sell, because many of your opponents are not going to be able to get away from A9 here. However, I'd imagine that at this level people will frequently fold aces of that caliber to the flop action, so it works pretty well.

H4
 

What made you come over the top with a 300 raise here?

#Game No : 2015218468
***** Hand History for Game 2015218468 *****
NL Hold'em $15000 Buy-in + $500 Entry Fee Trny:12010061 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Saturday, May 07, 22:09:52 EDT 2005
Table Step Higher 5 #1014153 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: cbristow ( $975 )
Seat 2: seepspp ( $940 )
Seat 3: baxlog ( $1165 )
Seat 4: dj_dedrick ( $915 )
Seat 5: genoa_st ( $1285 )
Seat 6: sjnjb ( $930 )
Seat 7: Evenkeal ( $1190 )
Seat 9: scoots_mc ( $1565 )
Seat 10: XLhomestead ( $1035 )
Trny:12010061 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Evenkeal [ Qc 4c ]
cbristow raises [100].
seepspp folds.
baxlog folds.
dj_dedrick folds.
genoa_st folds.
sjnjb folds.
Evenkeal raises [300].
scoots_mc folds.
XLhomestead folds.
cbristow folds.
Evenkeal does not show cards.
Evenkeal wins 475 chips
Game #2015220515 starts.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

What do you think of the popular strategy on these boards of avoiding a lot of marginal situations? I know a lot of people on this board don't play anything other than SNGs and aren't terribly good postflop, so they avoid them for that reason, but you seem to embrace them. I think it is partly because you play against opponents who are more predictable in their own way, who you play with regularly and keep notes and memory on, who will make mistakes in different ways than 11 and 22 players, but what do you think of the general early game strategy on this board?

H5
 

I would love for you to explain your thinking in this hand. I was watching and the thing that sticks out is how you would check lightning quick and then always call his bets. Great hand by you.

#Game No : 2015239491
***** Hand History for Game 2015239491 *****
NL Hold'em $15000 Buy-in + $500 Entry Fee Trny:12010061 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Saturday, May 07, 22:14:11 EDT 2005
Table Step Higher 5 #1014153 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: cbristow ( $1150 )
Seat 2: seepspp ( $1115 )
Seat 3: baxlog ( $990 )
Seat 4: dj_dedrick ( $840 )
Seat 5: genoa_st ( $1210 )
Seat 6: sjnjb ( $880 )
Seat 7: Evenkeal ( $1315 )
Seat 9: scoots_mc ( $1615 )
Seat 10: XLhomestead ( $885 )
Trny:12010061 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Evenkeal [ 9d 4d ]
scoots_mc folds.
XLhomestead folds.
cbristow raises [100].
seepspp folds.
baxlog folds.
dj_dedrick folds.
genoa_st folds.
sjnjb folds.
Evenkeal calls [50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, Qd, 3h ]
Evenkeal checks.
cbristow bets [50].
Evenkeal calls [50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
Evenkeal checks.
cbristow bets [50].
Evenkeal calls [50].
** Dealing River ** [ Qc ]
Evenkeal bets [150].
cbristow folds.
Evenkeal does not show cards.
Evenkeal wins 575 chips
Game #2015243206 starts.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

when I play NL cash games, there are a lot of times when I will cold call or raise to isolate a player (in position) who I know is weak, or when I know what he has from his raise from how he has raised in the past, but I don't do this in SNGs. that is the basic point. you do.

H6
 

Why take a risk like this?

#Game No : 2015276587
***** Hand History for Game 2015276587 *****
NL Hold'em $15000 Buy-in + $500 Entry Fee Trny:12010061 Level:5 Blinds(100/200) - Saturday, May 07, 22:21:45 EDT 2005
Table Step Higher 5 #1014153 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: cbristow ( $800 )
Seat 2: seepspp ( $1190 )
Seat 4: dj_dedrick ( $1170 )
Seat 5: genoa_st ( $1970 )
Seat 6: sjnjb ( $855 )
Seat 7: Evenkeal ( $1465 )
Seat 9: scoots_mc ( $1765 )
Seat 10: XLhomestead ( $785 )
Trny:12010061 Level:5
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Evenkeal [ 8d Qd ]
sjnjb folds.
Evenkeal is all-In [1465]
scoots_mc folds.
XLhomestead folds.
cbristow folds.
seepspp folds.
dj_dedrick folds.
genoa_st folds.
Evenkeal does not show cards.
Evenkeal wins 1765 chips
Game #2015278421 starts.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

I wondered if anyone would ask about this hand. I made this raise here, hoping that I would get a call from XLS. My original intention was to advertise here, because I knew that there would most likely be a point later in the game where it would be the difference between me winning or getting crippled based on how well I can take XLS' blind. Because I am in a steal spot, i know that XLS will probably defend too much, and I don't want that. So I was hoping for a flop, and i was going to play the hand very weak, ck and fold kind of weak, so hopefully later in the game, XLS would be more inclined to trust me when I play back at him.

BTW, there is no way that I would ever let this hand get shown unless I flop the nuts, or near nuts, and xls is willing to put his whole stack in with me.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

This hand was a message to dj_dedrick and the whole table. I was here to play, and was going to play with my whole stack when I do play, so you better have something that can hold up if you are raising and I haven't acted yet(anyone notice how often I got a walk in the BB). I think this was only the second or third hand of the tourney, so this was their first impression of me, and I think the message worked was received as intended.

The raise is a standard play by me whether I have a hand or not, if I am calling a raise, and you don't know me, then I am playing the hand, regardless of what hits the board.

Re: H5
 

I wanted to see what the hell he kept min raising with.

Re: H5
 

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I wanted to see what the hell he kept min raising with.

[/ QUOTE ]

You play this tournament by itself, or where you multitabling?

And if you were multitabling, what race of alien are you?

Re: H6
 

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Why take a risk like this?

[/ QUOTE ]

Because 1st pays so top heavy, I was willing to raise any stack that that looked "safe" I know that Genoa isn't calling my raise from such an ep without at least JJ-AA or AK.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

This hand is most interesting to me, by far. I think I understand your thinking, and this is clearly a play that has been lacking in my game. Care to elaborate?



#Game No : 2015236933
***** Hand History for Game 2015236933 *****
NL Hold'em $15000 Buy-in + $500 Entry Fee Trny:12010061 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Saturday, May 07, 22:13:39 EDT 2005
Table Step Higher 5 #1014153 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: cbristow ( $1150 )
Seat 2: seepspp ( $1115 )
Seat 3: baxlog ( $990 )
Seat 4: dj_dedrick ( $840 )
Seat 5: genoa_st ( $1235 )
Seat 6: sjnjb ( $930 )
Seat 7: Evenkeal ( $1240 )
Seat 9: scoots_mc ( $1615 )
Seat 10: XLhomestead ( $885 )
Trny:12010061 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Evenkeal [ Kh Qc ]
Evenkeal raises [125].
scoots_mc folds.
XLhomestead folds.
cbristow folds.
seepspp folds.
baxlog folds.
dj_dedrick folds.
genoa_st folds.
sjnjb folds.
Evenkeal does not show cards.
Evenkeal wins 200 chips
Game #2015239491 starts.

Re: Gigabet\'s HH and our SnG Strategy
 

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so hopefully later in the game, XLS would be more inclined to trust me when I play back at him.


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Wouldn't it be more the case that he plays back at you, given positions? And wouldn't this line of raise-then-run-away encourage him to stand up to you, defeating this purpose:

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Because I am in a steal spot, i know that XLS will probably defend too much, and I don't want that.

[/ QUOTE ]
?

I likely just didn't understand you quite right.


-Kings