15/30 hand vs. 2+2er
 

This hand was played in the Party 15/30. My opponent in this hand is a solid 2+2er. He probably doesn't know me, as I've just recently changed my screen name. The game is 8-handed and a bad player has posted in LP.

UTG has folded, there is an empty seat, and I raise next with Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Suprisingly, everyone else folds, except for the 2+2er in the SB, who calls. BB folds heads up.

Flop 7-7-4, two spades.

He bets, I call with the intention of making a play at the pot somewhere down the road depending on what comes. I haven't really thought much beyond that.

Turn 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

He bets, I call.

River Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

He bets, I call.

Thoughts?

Re: 15/30 hand vs. 2+2er
 

How do you plan to play the river if it is not a Q or J? I assume you are raising him if he bets?

What if he checks?

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I think this board is just too ragged to make a move at. He should have a real hand considering his coldcall from the SB. If you are going to make a move though, you need to do it on the turn. You cant get him off anything on the river assuming you miss, he is calling with hands like 88 if you raise his bet, and if is a "solid" 2+2er, he is check calling AK. Good players dont get outplayed on the river with the best hand in spots like that.

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raise/fold turn. obviously you read him for being weak so why not raise river.

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If you're going to call the flop, at least have the intention of making a play if an A or K drops and obviously continuing if you hit a Q or J.

Considering that a complete blank came off, just let it go and move on. Don't let those gaybets entice you into putting another 2-3 BB into a small pot where you're going to have a very hard time represting a big hand with this board, ESPECIALLY since he knows that gaybets like these often frustrate players into playing back and he will therefore give you even less credit for a big hand.

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Turn 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

He bets, I call.



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Raise or fold.

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You played extremely fishy and got lucky. I wouldn't be proud of this hand.

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You played extremely fishy and got lucky. I wouldn't be proud of this hand.

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I think this man is correct. For once.

You raised, and then called down on every street w/ queen high and called again even when you hit your queen.

Put the opponent on a range of hands, make the +EV play. I know this is heads up vs a tricky opponent but your going to have to hit a Q or a J or make him fold to drag this pot. Calling down is the worst way to do this. You dont have the odds to chase a 6 outter, you cant make him fold by calling.

Terrible.

Was your plan to raise the river regardless of the card? Hes going to call you with a pocket pair almost every time.

-JP

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u played it wrong on all streets expekt preflop.
fold on the flop. raise the turn if you called the flop and if you call the turn as you did the river is a must raise. i dont think raising when you miss the river and calling when you hit your pair outs works good for shania purposes either. And if he misses the river there is very low chanse that a bet are going to make him fold a better hands expekt possible hands such as King high which was drawing to the flush

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He bets, I call with the intention of making a play at the pot somewhere down the road depending on what comes. I haven't really thought much beyond that.

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I think this is what is really bothering me.

You have lots of work to do.

-JP

Re: 15/30 hand vs. 2+2er
 

You played it wrong. Preflop - fine. Flop - raise, see where you stand, perhaps take a free card.

What bothers me most is the river. You check/call the flop and turn, then hit your 6 outer on the river and don't pop a raise?

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Fold the flop. He caught you stealing with a weak hand and you totally missed. If you're going to play, you need to raise now or on the turn.

Fold the turn. You don't have odds to draw. If you're going to play, raising is the only option, as calling is clearly -EV.

Raise the river expecting to be paid off by a middle pocket pair. Nice catch.


Good luck.
Eric

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You played it wrong. Preflop - fine. Flop - raise, see where you stand, perhaps take a free card.

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This is terrible advice. You have queen high no draw. How much money do you need to put into the pot to know where you stand? I can tell you already without putting in one penny... you have the worst hand.

Besides, how does raising tell you where you are? If he calls, well, maybe he has a seven, or maybe a pair, or perhaps he has you dominated with AQ. Maybe he'll fold that on the turn. Maybe not. Maybe he has a spade draw that's higher than your queen high, or maybe lower. If he reraises, ummm, maybe any of the hands I just mentioned. Great. How much did that cost again?

Good luck.
Eric

Re: 15/30 hand vs. 2+2er
 

I was giving advice based on how he played the hand - which was check/call all the way down... That's no way to win a hand. SB likely had a med PP and poster hit's his out on the river - why no raise?