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iceman5 05-05-2005 04:30 PM

Call the river?
 
$2/$4 NL at Party. No read at all on villain. We both have $400 stacks.

2 limpers and I limp on the button with QJs. Both blinds are in.

The pot is $20. The flop is KT6. It gets checked around.
The turn is a 9. Checked to MP who bets $18. I raise to $60 and he calls.

Pot $140. The river is another 6 and he leads for $100. Do you call?

LuvDemNutz 05-05-2005 04:32 PM

Re: Call the river?
 
Yes -

if he limped with TT (or 99) and filled up, well, [censored] happens.

EDIT - to change from yes to probably - if he is tricky/loose than yes I call (loose enough to play 6xs) - if he is ABC straightforward / weak-tight I MIGHT give him credit for a boat and fold.

Huskiez 05-05-2005 04:39 PM

Re: Call the river?
 
I think this is a fairly standard call.

Marginilizer 05-05-2005 04:44 PM

Re: Call the river?
 
Easy call. The real question is whether you call or reraise. I would min raise just to mess with him. 1) I doubt he filled up, so I'd be good, 2) he's probably got K 10 or K 9 and hates laying it down and 3) if he does fold, it will eat him alive that he folded to a min raise. I realize that a lot of people would prefer to flat call for variety of reasons (risk of the FH, bluff all in by villian, etc), but I like min raising here.

TrailofTears 05-05-2005 04:49 PM

Re: Call the river?
 
Call the river?

Yes, call the river.

-T

TrailofTears 05-05-2005 04:52 PM

Re: Call the river?
 
Raising accomplishes nothing here. He will raise/call with a better hand (or a chop) and will fold a worse one. I can't see KT or K9 calling versus hero's aggression thus far and a river raise, particularly on a paired and straight-possibility board.

-T

LuvDemNutz 05-05-2005 05:00 PM

Re: Call the river?
 
Raising stinks.

TiK 05-05-2005 05:02 PM

Re: Call the river?
 
I would definitely call here. I would think that you're ahead much of the time. Don't raise.

AZK 05-05-2005 05:12 PM

Re: Call the river?
 
raise flop

AZK 05-05-2005 05:13 PM

Re: Call the river?
 
edit: do you ever think to raise preflop here? I sometimes with 400 behind, with 600 or more behind, I probably raise >80% of the time.

foldem 05-05-2005 05:20 PM

Re: Call the river?
 
Betting the flop would have made this hand a lot easier, as we could rule out 99 as a possible holding. You have to be 70% confident that your opponnent has a FH to make folding +EV. Without a read I would lean towards calling as you are unsure if the villain is capable of bluffing, however I think this is a pretty close decision. I can't imagine him "value" betting a worse hand. If villain checks to you are you betting or checking behind?

iceman5 05-05-2005 05:25 PM

Re: Call the river?
 
AZK, I might raise preflop about 25% of thew time there.

I most certainly would normally bet that flop once nobody seems interested and I cant remember why i didnt bet it this time.

Im rather surprised that everyone thought it was an easy call. It does make me feel a little better because I did call.

But looking back it doesnt look like a good call to me. I mean I raised his turn bet a fairly significant amount and he called and then led into me when the board paired.

He had quad 6's.

gomberg 05-05-2005 05:46 PM

Re: Call the river?
 
He is showing a lot of strength there, but the bet's not huge and I would for sure have a tough time folding there w/out a great read (in fact, I probably never would).

AZK 05-05-2005 07:34 PM

Re: Call the river?
 
look at what happens when you bet flop, you bet, he calls/raises. He raises you call and get in on the turn. He calls you bet and he will probably raise turn you get it all in. 2 ways, you get it all in with the nuts when he is drawing to 10 outs, a much better way to play this hand regardless of outcome...no?


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