Hand Reading Exercise:
 

UTG+1 is a TAG, 18/13.
I've been running over the table the last orbit, raising a lot and winning a lot of hands without showdown. Been showing down both the goods (AKs and the like) and light raises that held up/improved (QTs/77)

Hero is MP2 with xy
UTG+1 open raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, all fold to UTG+1 who calls.

Flop - 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7.5 SB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero caps, </font>UTG+1 calls

Turn - 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7.75 BB, 2 players)
<font color="red">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River - T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="red">UTG+1 bets, Hero raises</font>...

Should be pretty standard, post the first few responses in white. How could either player have played their hand better?

-d

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UTG+1 is a TAG, 18/13.
I've been running over the table the last orbit, raising a lot and winning a lot of hands without showdown. Been showing down both the goods (AKs and the like) and light raises that held up/improved (QTs/77)

Hero is MP2 with xy
UTG+1 open raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, all fold to UTG+1 who calls.

Flop - 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7.5 SB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero caps, </font>UTG+1 calls

Turn - 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7.75 BB, 2 players)
<font color="red">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River - T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="red">UTG+1 bets, Hero raises</font>...

Should be pretty standard, post the first few responses in white. How could either player have played their hand better?

-d

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<font color="white">You have 88, and he has either 99 or TT/JJ. If he has TT he gave you too much action on the flop/turn, but if he has 99, I'd just recommend that he not let you river a straight again. It would be very amusing if both of you had 88, though. I think your play is fine, even if your hand is pretty easily readable. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]</font>

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<font color="white">J8H or 89H</font>

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<font color="white">I think:
Hero has pocket T's
UTG+1 has pocket 9's
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Meep,

I don't get teh flop action. Did you 3-bet and he call or did you 3-bet and he cap? Anyway...

<font color="white">You either have TT or 88. I don't really like 3-betting the flop with 88 in this spot if that is what you have. I dunno what he has, but it looks like he flopped a set here. I'm guessing that he would cap preflop with QQ+. Maybe he has JJ as well, but I'll go with a flopped set.</font> [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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<font color="white"> Hero TT, Villain AA/KK </font>

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<font color="white"> UTG+1 has pocket nines. I hand worth an open-raise, but not a cap. This hand explains his action on all streets. Hero has pocket tens, a decent hand to isolate with. The flop is decent for Hero's hand and cap worthy, but not enought to go nuts with on the turn. Rivered a set.

I didn't say you had pocket 8s, well cause I'd assumed you'd fold this preflop against a raise. </font>

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<font color="white">Villain: Any pair from 66-JJ. Anything higher and I think he would've capped PF.
Hero: 88-TT?

I'd laugh if both showed down 88.</font>

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<font color="white">I'm gonna go ahead and guess that Hero has TT or 99, and UTG+1 has JJ-AA.</font> I'm sure I'm dead wrong though.

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<font color="white"> 99 vs 77? Or him on AA smoothcalling PF in order to C-R the flop and you 99 slowplaying the turn in order to raise the river </font>

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<font color="white"> UTG: has 99
Hero: TT </font>

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I put you on TT. By the way, you 3-bet the flop, right?

I put villain on 99-66.

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yo miles: WHITE DUDE. PUT IT IN WHITE.

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yo miles: WHITE DUDE. PUT IT IN WHITE.

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READ THE POST

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Should be pretty standard, post the first few responses in white.

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I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO READ THE POST

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yo miles: WHITE DUDE. PUT IT IN WHITE.

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READ THE POST

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Should be pretty standard, post the first few responses in white.

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i just put mine in white so others wouldn't read it. whatever.

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Most of you were right on, Shillx cheats because he saw this in SS. :P

Yeah, I 3-bet, he capped the flop -- I really need to proofread.

I had an overplayed 88, he had an overplayed 99 (on the river.)

I should have called down the flop raise - let him bluff a worse hand or lose the least to a better hand.

He should have just called my river raise, as my play was consistent with TT and i'm either bluffing (where he gets 0 extra bets) or I have him beat (where he loses 2 extra bets).

I guess there's a small likelyhood that I have AA-QQ and just wanted to pop on the river again, but I think that's stretching.

(and my pf play with 88 here isn't bad, considering the opponent and table image at the time)

-d

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I didn't say you had pocket 8s, well cause I'd assumed you'd fold this preflop against a raise.

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Against someone who raises 13% of their hands, I probably 3-bet 88 as well.

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UTG+1 is a TAG, 18/13.
I've been running over the table the last orbit, raising a lot and winning a lot of hands without showdown. Been showing down both the goods (AKs and the like) and light raises that held up/improved (QTs/77)

Hero is MP2 with xy
UTG+1 open raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, all fold to UTG+1 who calls.

Flop - 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7.5 SB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero caps, </font>UTG+1 calls

Turn - 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7.75 BB, 2 players)
<font color="red">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River - T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="red">UTG+1 bets, Hero raises</font>...

Should be pretty standard, post the first few responses in white. How could either player have played their hand better?

-d

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haven't looked at any responses yet.

Preflop:

I'll give you TT-AA, AK. maybe AQs and 99-88 if your image is good and you can pick up the pot.

I'll give him the standard EP raising hands minus AA-QQ and AKs. whether or not he raises, say, 77 or ATo UTG (marginal raises that can be ok at the right table) is just something you'll have to discern from his play. also is he tricky enough to not cap AA-KK occasionally HU.

Flop:
did you three bet the flop and he called? I have to imagine this flop "hit" him if he's doing this, I really can't see him doing this with overcards. especially if he can expect a three bet a fair portion of the time.

I'll give him TT-JJ on the flop, with the OUTside possibility of A9s if he would raise with that pf (his PFR is pretty high).

your bet does nothing to narrow your range, but your three bet does. I have to give you AKs with a backdoor flush draw, AA/KK, or TT-88, POSSIBLY 77 if you're mixing up your PF play. my line with JJ/QQ here would be to smoothcall the flop and raise the turn. same with TT, but we have the gutshot. I'll also occasionally take the smoothcall-raise turn line with AA/KK, but my default is to three bet the flop with those. I also occasionally three bet with QQ, but yeah. AKs or some pocket pair.

Turn:
when he bets into you after the turn comes blank, I have to think he's got TT-JJ and is denying you your free card with AK. maybe he has QQ. but, I have to think he has top pair here.

When you smoothcall, I've gotta give you 99 (planning to raise the river) or 88 (realizing you're drawing) or AKs (drawing). I really don't think you have AA/KK here as you'd raise again.

River: He's value betting something like TT/JJ, but you hit your 88 straight.

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UTG+1 is a TAG, 18/13.
I've been running over the table the last orbit, raising a lot and winning a lot of hands without showdown. Been showing down both the goods (AKs and the like) and light raises that held up/improved (QTs/77)

Hero is MP2 with xy
UTG+1 open raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, all fold to UTG+1 who calls.

Flop - 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7.5 SB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero caps, </font>UTG+1 calls

Turn - 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7.75 BB, 2 players)
<font color="red">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River - T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="red">UTG+1 bets, Hero raises</font>...

Should be pretty standard, post the first few responses in white. How could either player have played their hand better?

-d

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Grunching

From your clue on the unimproved cards you played, QTs/77, I'd guess you have A8s, as I don't think you'd play J8s, though maybe...
I'd say he's got JJ or QQ, but not really sure.
I suck at this game anyway.
Walkdoc

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he has TT and you have 88.
nice river.

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Sorry to re-bump this, but I think it is important to mention -- 3 betting is different than open-raising or isolation-raising. A8s is something that you can isolate raise with sometimes, but an isolation 3-bet isn't likely to be profitable with it, especially against a TAG.

Against a good player, you're going to need something with a little more showdown value (and less likelyhood of being hopelessly dominated) before you 3-bet with it -- which almost certainly makes my hand 88+, AQs, AKs/o, unless I was getting really tricky/spewy.

I think had I played this hand better the responses for my hand would have been almost all correct -- as for villain, 99/TT are pretty much equally likely on the river, the way he played it. (Like I said, he should have called my raise)

-d