400nl hand- laying down a set
 

my friend has been 4 tabling 100nl with great success, and decided to give 400nl a try at one of his tables. he made this laydown. this was the first hand villain played.

good/bad laydown?



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

MP2 ($405)
MP3 ($619.3)
CO ($310.95)
Button ($801.4)
SB ($222.5)
BB ($247)
Hero ($400)
UTG+1 ($196)
UTG+2 ($384)
MP1 ($384)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
Hero calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $4, Button calls $4, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($24) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, MP1 calls $20, CO calls $20, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($84) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $60</font>, CO pushes allin, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $144

stealthcow-

Re: 400nl hand- laying down a set
 

friend is playing scared. easy call imo

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I don't like it. The only hand I see CO having that wins is TT and how likely is it he limped with that? I more likely see him having As 2s, or Ad Td, or 22.

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he could have 45s i think if he does you stack him though

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friend is playing scared. easy call imo

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that was my first reaction. but with my knowledge of nl, i figured i'd be a good hand to post and get some other opinions.

stealthcow-

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If he has 34 your friend has outs. If the guy as a set of Ts and its a set over set situation then so be it. Everytime I get busted by set over set I always just laugh. In this situation there really isnt much you can do besides call. I agree that your buddy was playing a little scared. Everyone plays a little scared though when they are playing bigger than they usually do.

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i mean 34s

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with "no reads" this is an instacall...

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he needs to stay at the 100 tables

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with "no reads" this is an instacall...

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he needs to stay at the 100 tables

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You guys have never done weird(bad) stuff when you moved up limits and you were uncomfortable playing that high? I know that when I move up(I am actually moving down now) I usually make half retarded plays for the first couple sessions until you get a feel for the level. This was his first hand! I know you guys werent trying to be dicks but you cant learn if you dont make mistakes.

Re: 400nl hand- laying down a set
 

this changes what...its still bad

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I don't mind moving up but the 100 NL to 400 NL is a huge jump but if he's folding middle set on a fairly drawless board because one of two scare cards in the deck come he is playing with scared money. I think a more natural progression would be to move to the 200 NL for at least a couple thousand hands before moving to 400 NL that way the 400 dollar bet seems big but not that big. Beating 100 NL just requires a pulse, beating the 400 NL requires a little more skill and that some of that skill is much more easily learned at the 200 NL tables.

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Very true. I just thought that just because someone made one bad mistake doesnt mean they arent ready for that level. I really cant judge though because I dont know the player or the game(I dont play PP).

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He's beat by AA, TT, and 43. He beats AT, A5, A2, 22 and AJ-AK. Villain push-raises all in on turn when the A hits, does this look like a monster? Not to me. Folding cannot be correct here.

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Definitely a call.

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Another vote for an easy call.

Villain is going to have A10, Ax [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], or 22 way more often than 1010, AA or 34, imo, especially w/ the way he played it. I actually think that a suited ace of spades is very likely here. I think villain would have raised AA preflop here, w/ two limpers when the action gets to him, and if he has 1010, for him to just flat call the flop here w/ several possible draws in a six-way unraised pot would be just godawful (which doesn't preclude him from doing so, of course). The only other hand hero's behind is 34, and he's still drawing pretty live against a straight. Call.

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let's hope you never make this mistake again.

brilliant

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Call...villian must have A2 or A10

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I'm not as convinced it's an easy call. I might well call with TT to (a) check that no flush card came on the turn and (b) sucker someone in. It's also reasonably likely the cutoff had 34s and obviously called on the flop, now hits the straight and wants to force out flush draws.

Let's give the villain some respect here - I think you'll be shown 34 (or TT) a lot more often than other posters think.

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Let's give the villain some respect here

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Nah, it's $2/4 Party NL!!

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He's beat by AA, TT, and 43. He beats AT, A5, A2, 22 and AJ-AK. Villain push-raises all in on turn when the A hits, does this look like a monster? Not to me. Folding cannot be correct here.

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In addition, villain is CO, so AA and TT are exceedingly unlikely, because most villains raise these from CO.

Easy call, if you're beaten so be it.

Re: 400nl hand- laying down a set
 

Bad laydown. If the opponent actually ahd the straight, I doubt he'd go all in on the turn. Opponent has two pair or a set of 2s.