Daniel Negreanu is now 1st a businessman, 2nd a poker player
 

I just finished watching a 1 hr interview on Score here in Canada with Daniel Negreanu.

I am disappointed. He is all business now, and I don't mean by his approach to playing or tourneys.

He must be a highly paid employee of wynn ltd, for the new casino, he plugged it 3 times in the hour, mentioning no other places in LV.

But what bothered me even more was when a person called in a question about where would be a good place to play on the internet, what places did Dan mention?.

ONLY ONE!..POKER MOUNTAIN!.

He could have said there are many choices and mentioned briefly Party, Pokerstars, and Paradise, then closed by saying how "great" Poker Mountain is...(lying of course), but he gave no such info to the caller.

He also talked about the coming software game stacked, his dvd's and the book he was writing.

It almost felt like..like..an infomercial.

To be fair, he had to answer some basic lame questions that were coming in, that might have helped some callers, but overall it was a giant +EV program for him.

Is this what happens when you get really wealthy and famous?
You can't stop making +EV "moves" for more money?.

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he is the new phil h.

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What does this have to do with him being a businessman? Is he investing in Wynn and running it himself? Or is he just endorsing it and plugging it with his reputation?

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You would do the same in his shoes.

-SmileyEH

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Contrary to most beliefs not all people are sellouts nowadays. However, the non-conformists are few and far between.

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I'd be complaining about cramped feet.

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What does it say when the top players in the world are looking to generate income away from the table?

That the only thing better than being a professional poker player is being one who has a substantial source of outside income. Just look at 2+2 publishing. It's no where near being a sell-out and it's not close.

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You avatar rocks! Is there anywhere I can download the whole clip?

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What does it say when the top players in the world are looking to generate income away from the table?

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lol. What does it say? What does it say when Tiger Woods tries to generate income away from the golf course? What does it say when Michael Jordan tries to generate income awsy from the court? Etc.

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What would you do in his shoes? Make a lot of money from endorsements or grind it out at the poker table. The route he is taking has much higher EV than just playing poker. He is setting himself up for life because he has that oppurtunity. PokerMountain is by far the worst poker site on the internet though.

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I'm not sure what Daniel did to piss in everyone's Wheaties but it seems everyone is busting this guy's chops because he's . . . trying to capitalize on his celebrity. One guy is slamming him because his stopping and saying hello to the random tourists who see in him in Vegas seems too politician-like. WTF?

If you ask a guy who has a paid spokesman for an online poker site what online poker sites they should check out . . . duh! He's gonna suggest the site cutting him big fat checks. If you ask a guy about casinos in Vegas and the guy has just signed on to play exclusively at a particular casino . . . duh! He's gonna mention the casino. You're also aware that the entire reason he was sloted for that show was so he could promote his various business ventures, right? Do you also get amazed when people go on Leno and Letterman only when they have a new film coming out?

Also, I think "selling out" should be defined here. Selling out is when you would do something you wouldn't normally do. It's when put your name on products you don't believe in. It's when you start viewing your fans as consumers. IMHO, I don't think he's gone to that stage quite yet. It seems most of the people pissed at Daniel are mad that Daniel doesn't happen to fit their mold of what a celebrity should be. Sorry. That's life.

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Your point is well taken. There are 2 significant differences though between Tiger/MJ and Daniel/poker pro.

One is that Tiger/MJ are either contracted or stand an extremely good chance of being paid on a regular basis. The other is that luck plays much lesser a role in how or when they'll be paid. It's good for a laugh, but there really is no comparison between a star in their field like Tiger and Daniel. Commercial or otherwise.

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You would do the same in his shoes.

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That rationale is used for anything up to and including murder.

I don't buy it.

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lol. What does it say? What does it say when Tiger Woods tries to generate income away from the golf course? What does it say when Michael Jordan tries to generate income awsy from the court? Etc.

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When a guy as preposterously rich as Michael Jordan lets Nike pay him for his name but sets no conditions, so Nike happily employs Indonesian children at near-starvation wages? It says a lot.

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I'm not sure what Daniel did to piss in everyone's Wheaties but it seems everyone is busting this guy's chops because he's . . . trying to capitalize on his celebrity. One guy is slamming him because his stopping and saying hello to the random tourists who see in him in Vegas seems too politician-like. WTF?

If you ask a guy who has a paid spokesman for an online poker site what online poker sites they should check out . . . duh! He's gonna suggest the site cutting him big fat checks. If you ask a guy about casinos in Vegas and the guy has just signed on to play exclusively at a particular casino . . . duh! He's gonna mention the casino. You're also aware that the entire reason he was sloted for that show was so he could promote his various business ventures, right? Do you also get amazed when people go on Leno and Letterman only when they have a new film coming out?

Also, I think "selling out" should be defined here. Selling out is when you would do something you wouldn't normally do. It's when put your name on products you don't believe in. It's when you start viewing your fans as consumers. IMHO, I don't think he's gone to that stage quite yet. It seems most of the people pissed at Daniel are mad that Daniel doesn't happen to fit their mold of what a celebrity should be. Sorry. That's life.

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The OP's post described very clearly exactly what you define as selling out.

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I am a big fan of Daniel because he is one of the nicer guys playing. But i understand what your saying. Like he says though he is set for life and now is capitalizing on the oppurtunities. You still got to believe he will play his usual big cash games at other casinos.

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But what bothered me even more was when a person called in a question about where would be a good place to play on the internet, what places did Dan mention?.

ONLY ONE!..POKER MOUNTAIN!.

He could have said there are many choices and mentioned briefly Party, Pokerstars, and Paradise, then closed by saying how "great" Poker Mountain is...(lying of course), but he gave no such info to the caller.


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Yeah - cause wherever you work I'm sure you volunteer positive information about the competition.

This isn't just business sense, it's common sense.

When I had my first child, I was dumb enough to ask my family practice doctor for a good pediatrition. The response

" we are family practice, we take all ages".

DUH!

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I have no problem with Dan or anyone making money or a good living. He can be the official spokesman for Wynn, Wheaties, Nike..whatever. I don't consider this selling out. You know when you see a famous icon on a commercial or they are advertising, they are being paid to recommend this. Good for them, I would probably do the same.

But when a person who is not knowledgeable in a subject, asks of you, (an knowledgeable pro), where should I go or what should I look at, and he recommends things that are

1. Where he has a financial interest/gain in. and dosen't tell you this or

2. Knowingly not telling you the best information and instead point you to where he stands to gain financially.

This is wrong. imho. This I would not do.

The Wynn MAY become the become the best or one of the best places to play poker in LV one day, but right now?

Poker Mountain MAY become the best or one of the best places to play poker online, but right now it is not.
Dan knows this.

Either the Score should have had a disclaimer at the beginning of his interview or Dan should have been wearing a "Play at Poker Mountain" t-shirt with a "Wynn Casino LV" baseball cap.

I don't hate Dan N., I am just disappointed, thats all.

regards

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But what bothered me even more was when a person called in a question about where would be a good place to play on the internet, what places did Dan mention?.

ONLY ONE!..POKER MOUNTAIN!.

He could have said there are many choices and mentioned briefly Party, Pokerstars, and Paradise, then closed by saying how "great" Poker Mountain is...(lying of course), but he gave no such info to the caller.


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Yeah - cause wherever you work I'm sure you volunteer positive information about the competition.

This isn't just business sense, it's common sense.

When I had my first child, I was dumb enough to ask my family practice doctor for a good pediatrition. The response

" we are family practice, we take all ages".

DUH!

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LOL... Actually I do. I let the buyers know all positive and negative info about my product and others. For my business you have to know whether your product stands against the competition, you will be discussing the competitors product vs yours with the buyers. (they buyers know as well) The result has been surprising good, our buyers know this of us. Of course I will never make the most money, but sales are always consistent, many of our competitors would rather try to pull one over the buyers, or hold out for more. eh... whatever makes you happy I guess. to each their own.

regards

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People don't go on talk shows just to hang out, they go to PROMOTE something.

Would Bill Gates go on a talk show and say that Macintosh is better than Windows for movie editing? Of course not. He'd be wrong, but why would he endorse the competition's products?

Daniel is capitalizing on the fact that he's a minor celebrity now, and good for him. He doesn't owe anybody anything. And it wouldn't be a big surprise to me if the phone calls were staged.

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What does it say when the top players in the world are looking to generate income away from the table?

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lol. What does it say? What does it say when Tiger Woods tries to generate income away from the golf course? What does it say when Michael Jordan tries to generate income awsy from the court? Etc.

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When a guy as preposterously rich as Michael Jordan lets Nike pay him for his name but sets no conditions, so Nike happily employs Indonesian children at near-starvation wages? It says a lot.

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it seems to be that you have little concept of how capitalism and a free market approach works. if the wages being paid for Nike were so atrociously bad, people wouldn't work there. In fact Nike's pay was above the average wage there. I don't think you can give any reasons why Nike should pay an artificially high price.

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You would do the same in his shoes.

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That rationale is used for anything up to and including murder.

I don't buy it.

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There's nothing to buy. The man is just doing whatever he wants to to make a living.

-SmileyEH

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I would say the comparison between Daniel and Tiger Woods is very valid. Tiger only gets paid if he plays, and he is directly paid based on performance. He has no golf contract (though many endorsement contracts) which pays him regardless of how good or bad he does. I believe that if Tiger failed to make the cut in a golf tournament he gets paid nothing, similiar to how Daniel would get paid nothing if he didn't make it past the bubble in a poker tourney.

Now luck plays a MUCH lower role in the case of Golf vs Poker (as evidenced by Tiger's 100's of cuts made in a row). However luck does have swings in the results very often in both poker and golf. And Tiger is taking his money where he can, just like Daniel.

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it seems to be that you have little concept of how capitalism and a free market approach works. if the wages being paid for Nike were so atrociously bad, people wouldn't work there.

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You can't be so naive as to believe this can you? I hate "lol" but I am literally laughing so hard that you're seriously suggesting that sweat shop wages in Indonesia aren't so bad, because, well, why else would people work there? Maybe because they're poor Indonesions who are easily exploitable due to a lack of options. YOU CANNOT HONESTLY BELIEVE THIS DRIVEL! HOLY [censored]!

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People don't go on talk shows just to hang out, they go to PROMOTE something.

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This is true, but they're not being interviewed under the guise that they have no relationship with the products they're promoting. If it was made clear that Daniel has a business interest in all of these products, then it's what it is - a DN advertisement. But if he's acting like he just genuinely enjoys these products for no other reason but that they're good products, this might be deceptive...

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When a guy as preposterously rich as Michael Jordan lets Nike pay him for his name but sets no conditions, so Nike happily employs Indonesian children at near-starvation wages? It says a lot.

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Sad..but so true..

Lawrence

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lol. What does it say? What does it say when Tiger Woods tries to generate income away from the golf course? What does it say when Michael Jordan tries to generate income awsy from the court? Etc.

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You don't see Gretzky selling out do you? Now he is a true ambassador for the sport and love of a game he is super passionate about.

Lawrence

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it seems to be that you have little concept of how capitalism and a free market approach works. if the wages being paid for Nike were so atrociously bad, people wouldn't work there.

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You can't be so naive as to believe this can you? I hate "lol" but I am literally laughing so hard that you're seriously suggesting that sweat shop wages in Indonesia aren't so bad, because, well, why else would people work there? Maybe because they're poor Indonesions who are easily exploitable due to a lack of options. YOU CANNOT HONESTLY BELIEVE THIS DRIVEL! HOLY [censored]!

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so what you're saying is: they're better off with the sweat shops than without them because they have no other options, but the sweat shops are bad anyway, because they don't treat their workers as well as US employers are forced to?

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I also saw this "call-in" interview, and it was quite obvious that the "callers" were all part of Daniel's shameless self-promotion. But hey, we're all here to make money.

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Yes, this is what happens.

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it seems to be that you have little concept of how capitalism and a free market approach works. if the wages being paid for Nike were so atrociously bad, people wouldn't work there.

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You can't be so naive as to believe this can you? I hate "lol" but I am literally laughing so hard that you're seriously suggesting that sweat shop wages in Indonesia aren't so bad, because, well, why else would people work there? Maybe because they're poor Indonesions who are easily exploitable due to a lack of options. YOU CANNOT HONESTLY BELIEVE THIS DRIVEL! HOLY [censored]!

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so what you're saying is: they're better off with the sweat shops than without them because they have no other options, but the sweat shops are bad anyway, because they don't treat their workers as well as US employers are forced to?

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Ehh not to hijack this thread or anything, but if anyone believes sweat shop wages are anything but terrible you might want to do some research on the subject. I'm not a know it all but I happened to do some research on sweat shops and child prostition in Asia and it basically goes like:

1. Family can't eat.
2. Someone says if you let us take your child we will pay you 200 bucks a month
3. Family has choice of either letting child starve to death or give them up. Literally, the child is starving to death. What is the family going to do?
4. Child leaves and works for "company" for very very little money a month, which is given directly to family, plus the child is given food.

Sorry for this comment but it bothers me when people talk about this subject, because it's really serious and something everyone should know about. If you want further discussion I suggest someone starts a thread in OOT or looks up research...and by research I mean credible, like library style research.

Jon

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I can't say what I would do in his position, but basically most athletes who have famous name plug endorsments because, to them, it's risk free money.

In this case Dan N. knows there is a risk involved, but if pokermountain takes off he will never have to think about money again, so it is worth the risk.

I don't fault him whatsoever for trying to secure his future by means other than playing cards.

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What does it say when the top players in the world are looking to generate income away from the table?

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lol. What does it say? What does it say when Tiger Woods tries to generate income away from the golf course? What does it say when Michael Jordan tries to generate income awsy from the court? Etc.

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When a guy as preposterously rich as Michael Jordan lets Nike pay him for his name but sets no conditions, so Nike happily employs Indonesian children at near-starvation wages? It says a lot.

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it seems to be that you have little concept of how capitalism and a free market approach works. if the wages being paid for Nike were so atrociously bad, people wouldn't work there. In fact Nike's pay was above the average wage there. I don't think you can give any reasons why Nike should pay an artificially high price.

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It seems you have little concept either of knowledge or of ethics. I'd also give you low marks in internet trolling.

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You would do the same in his shoes.

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That rationale is used for anything up to and including murder.

I don't buy it.

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There's nothing to buy. The man is just doing whatever he wants to to make a living.

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Which wasn't actually the subject, Captain Obvious.

It was the rationale behind it.

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it seems to be that you have little concept of how capitalism and a free market approach works. if the wages being paid for Nike were so atrociously bad, people wouldn't work there.

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You can't be so naive as to believe this can you? I hate "lol" but I am literally laughing so hard that you're seriously suggesting that sweat shop wages in Indonesia aren't so bad, because, well, why else would people work there? Maybe because they're poor Indonesions who are easily exploitable due to a lack of options. YOU CANNOT HONESTLY BELIEVE THIS DRIVEL! HOLY [censored]!

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He doesn't. But he's quoting the party line, as if nobody had ever heard it before and we were all just dying to hear it again. Or maybe if he says it enough, he'll get a lapel pin or something.

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it seems to be that you have little concept of how capitalism and a free market approach works. if the wages being paid for Nike were so atrociously bad, people wouldn't work there.

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You can't be so naive as to believe this can you? I hate "lol" but I am literally laughing so hard that you're seriously suggesting that sweat shop wages in Indonesia aren't so bad, because, well, why else would people work there? Maybe because they're poor Indonesions who are easily exploitable due to a lack of options. YOU CANNOT HONESTLY BELIEVE THIS DRIVEL! HOLY [censored]!

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so what you're saying is: they're better off with the sweat shops than without them because they have no other options, but the sweat shops are bad anyway, because they don't treat their workers as well as US employers are forced to?

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Ehh not to hijack this thread or anything, but if anyone believes sweat shop wages are anything but terrible you might want to do some research on the subject. I'm not a know it all but I happened to do some research on sweat shops and child prostition in Asia and it basically goes like:

1. Family can't eat.
2. Someone says if you let us take your child we will pay you 200 bucks a month
3. Family has choice of either letting child starve to death or give them up. Literally, the child is starving to death. What is the family going to do?
4. Child leaves and works for "company" for very very little money a month, which is given directly to family, plus the child is given food.

Sorry for this comment but it bothers me when people talk about this subject, because it's really serious and something everyone should know about. If you want further discussion I suggest someone starts a thread in OOT or looks up research...and by research I mean credible, like library style research.

Jon

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Not gonna happen much here in America. Knowledge of the rest of the world is not at a premium here, nor is giving a damn or believing we have any responsibility for anything.

As long as we have 25 kinds of potato chips on the shelves, everyone can go to hell.

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it seems to be that you have little concept of how capitalism and a free market approach works. if the wages being paid for Nike were so atrociously bad, people wouldn't work there.

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You can't be so naive as to believe this can you? I hate "lol" but I am literally laughing so hard that you're seriously suggesting that sweat shop wages in Indonesia aren't so bad, because, well, why else would people work there? Maybe because they're poor Indonesions who are easily exploitable due to a lack of options. YOU CANNOT HONESTLY BELIEVE THIS DRIVEL! HOLY [censored]!

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so what you're saying is: they're better off with the sweat shops than without them because they have no other options, but the sweat shops are bad anyway, because they don't treat their workers as well as US employers are forced to?

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Ehh not to hijack this thread or anything, but if anyone believes sweat shop wages are anything but terrible you might want to do some research on the subject. I'm not a know it all but I happened to do some research on sweat shops and child prostition in Asia and it basically goes like:

1. Family can't eat.
2. Someone says if you let us take your child we will pay you 200 bucks a month
3. Family has choice of either letting child starve to death or give them up. Literally, the child is starving to death. What is the family going to do?
4. Child leaves and works for "company" for very very little money a month, which is given directly to family, plus the child is given food.

Sorry for this comment but it bothers me when people talk about this subject, because it's really serious and something everyone should know about. If you want further discussion I suggest someone starts a thread in OOT or looks up research...and by research I mean credible, like library style research.

Jon

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An interview with Danny and he talks all about himself and where he's playing and whats going on in his life. What a conceded jerk. I cant believe it.

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Ehh not to hijack this thread or anything, but if anyone believes sweat shop wages are anything but terrible you might want to do some research on the subject. I'm not a know it all but I happened to do some research on sweat shops and child prostition in Asia and it basically goes like:

1. Family can't eat.
2. Someone says if you let us take your child we will pay you 200 bucks a month
3. Family has choice of either letting child starve to death or give them up. Literally, the child is starving to death. What is the family going to do?
4. Child leaves and works for "company" for very very little money a month, which is given directly to family, plus the child is given food.

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so the child and family were starving, and were given food and money in exchange for the child working. i fail to see how this has negatively impacted the family's situation. yes, it is not as good a situation as it possibly could be, but the family and child are now both able to eat and survive, which they could not do before.

if sweat shops and other exploitive labor situations didn't improve the workers' lives from their AVAILABLE ALTERNATIVES, they wouldn't exist.

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In addition Dan is not really selling a product, so much as has signed a contract with both business'. It is likely that endorsing (such as mentioning on a live talk show) competitors to these business' would violate his existing contract. It's quite standard for business' to require you to sign non-compete agreements.