Does anyone here actually beat PP .5/1 consistently for alot???
 

Ok so I've been playing a few months, read most of the required reading (TTOP, SSHE, a couple others, etc.). I use PT and try to play "by the book"

But I barely win at .5/1, I win MORE at higher limits.

Here's a perfect example of a very common... Ok so I get TT in late position, there are like 3 limpers, SSHE says RAISE (which I did) because I most likely have the best hand and figure to win this situation more so than I lose (pot equity wise).

But there is a 70% chance of overcards with TT and in a game where every fool is playing every Q, K, or A till the end you lose quite often, of course you win quite often too, but the net result is a very small positive.

Same story with my AK, ok I raise/reraise with it preflop virtually every time. When it hits it pays a little, when it doesn't it costs a little (or alot), the net result is a profit... a really small one.

Etc etc etc etc

HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW can you beat these freaking morons at a 2+ BB/100 rate?

Also I'm EXTREMELY frustrated right now. I went 34 (yes 34 I counted) pocket pairs seeing the flop without hitting a set (22 broke the streak)

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Your facts seem a bit suspect. These types of players are the most profitable.

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Does anyone here actually beat PP .5/1 consistently for alot???

No. Everyone knows that Party is rigged. That is why we goto Vegas so we can pwn at the blackjack table. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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Ok so I've been playing a few months, read most of the required reading (TTOP, SSHE, a couple others, etc.). I use PT and try to play "by the book"

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[sarcasm]A couple months? You should be a pro by now, because poker is so easy.[/sarcasm]

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Here's a perfect example of a very common... Ok so I get TT in late position, there are like 3 limpers, SSHE says RAISE (which I did) because I most likely have the best hand and figure to win this situation more so than I lose (pot equity wise).

But there is a 70% chance of overcards with TT and in a game where every fool is playing every Q, K, or A till the end you lose quite often, of course you win quite often too, but the net result is a very small positive.

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It's actually about 87% to see an overcard to TT by the river.

Are you foolish enough to bet to the end with your TT to be "aggressive"? That might be part of the problem. Are you check-folding the same TT when an ace falls on the turn? That could be another problem. If you pay close attention, you'll realize that it's not *EVERY* fool who is calling you down, but probably the same one or two. Seeing that should help you play better postflop.

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Same story with my AK, ok I raise/reraise with it preflop virtually every time. When it hits it pays a little, when it doesn't it costs a little (or alot), the net result is a profit... a really small one.

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Sounds false to me. If you have PT, break down your AK hands and see how they look. Raise/reraise preflop is correct, but that's only 1/4 of the streets, and the bet size is only 1/2 BB. You realize that you don't make your big profit by playing preflop correctly, right? In all of your complaining, you haven't said a word about how you play postflop. That's very telling about your overall understanding of how to play solid poker.

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Also I'm EXTREMELY frustrated right now. I went 34 (yes 34 I counted) pocket pairs seeing the flop without hitting a set (22 broke the streak)

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Probability of hitting a set is something like 11.5%. Probability of missing is 88.5%. Probability of missing 34 times in a row is about 1.6%. Rare, but not impossibly so. It's just about on the order of hitting a 1-outer. It happens and it's frustrating. I'm not going to take away any of that frustration. But you need to understand that luck is a factor. Get used to it, or get out of poker.

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http://img138.echo.cx/my.php?image=pt5bb.png

This is actually the lowest it has been in awhile, it is back up to 7.2 BB/100, and will be a bit higher when I log todays hands.

God I sure fear the day when player respect my raises.

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Q) Can people beat .5/1?
A) yes! I'm not a pro by any means, I've only been playing 6 months. After 30k hands at .5/1 I am 2.3BB/100. That's nothing special, but my last 15K hands (after I actually studied a bit, posted hands here, and devoured and studied SSH and TOP), I've been closer to 3.5BB/100.

I finally moved up to 1/2, and only have 5K hands. In general, the players are tighter and more aggressive, with fewer calling stations, which is what makes .5/1 so profitable. I've been lucky, and running well, and am at 2.8BB/100 at 1/2. But the game is tougher; smaller pots, better starting hands (in general), and not as many passive players.

At .5/1, be a nut peddler, jam your strong hands, don't try too hard to protect your mediocre hands in multi-handed pots; everyone will call down, which is a good thing if you adapt your play. And you'll find .5/1 is the easiest game there is.

Regards,
Francis

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Nonono everyone knows you play at the craps tables using Toss's patented Craps glove. With my glove you'll roll 7s and 11s 90% of the times. Yours for only 17 easy payments of $49.99.

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At .5/1, be a nut peddler

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I respectfully strongly disagree.

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Nonono everyone knows you play at the craps tables using Toss's patented Craps glove. With my glove you'll roll 7s and 11s 90% of the times. Yours for only 17 easy payments of $49.99.

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If you buy my magnetic gloves, it will only cost you 15 easy payments of $49.98! [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

How can you resist?

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I just can't damn it, give me 5 gloves.

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http://img138.echo.cx/my.php?image=pt5bb.png

This is actually the lowest it has been in awhile, it is back up to 7.2 BB/100, and will be a bit higher when I log todays hands.

God I sure fear the day when player respect my raises.

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Damn, I was only beating it for 5BB/100 at 25k hands =(
Hey, at least I'm beating 2/4 for 8BB/100 over the last 10k.... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Damnit, my penis feels really small now [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Damn, I was only beating it for 5BB/100 at 25k hands =(
Hey, at least I'm beating 2/4 for 8BB/100 over the last 10k....

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Dude like that like $32 every 100 hands times 100 which equals like $5k man.

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yes. consistently and ridiculously. ive only been playing .5/1 for a week (insert massive flame about small sample size here) anyways, ive been 4 tabling around 30 hours this week and have been making around $50/hour. that seems really good and clearly i cant keep this up.

its amazing how often bluffs work at this limit. preflop raising with continuation bets on flop/turn when you miss completely seem to work half the time again two opponents.
bluffs in general work quite well. I play extremely aggressive and when I get caught the whole table is too stupid to notice and they fold to my bets the next hand. table image is pointless at this limit. i also dont check stats for each table and i wouldnt even know what to look for. I find myself capping Preflop with middle pairs and bluffing flop/turn and these guys fold when the pot is huge and i have an underpair!! maybe im getting really lucky, maybe its the beer inside of me talking, but ive made a crap load of money in my first 5 days playing limit in my life.

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Damn, I was only beating it for 5BB/100 at 25k hands =(
Hey, at least I'm beating 2/4 for 8BB/100 over the last 10k....

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Dude like that like $32 every 100 hands times 100 which equals like $5k man.

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What?

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I wouldn't expect these sorts of things to keep working at .5/1.

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Damn, I was only beating it for 5BB/100 at 25k hands =(
Hey, at least I'm beating 2/4 for 8BB/100 over the last 10k....

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Dude like that like $32 every 100 hands times 100 which equals like $5k man.

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More like 3k, and I'm taking shots at the 15 game now...only played a cpl hundred hands of that...thats game is swingy as anything and I'm not properly rolled for it (only 300BB or so)...gonna be playing 5/10 as my regular game soon with any luck, though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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In 220 hands you should hit 13 pairs and nearly 2 sets, I think.

AKo and TT are often the best hand on the flop, sometimes even in a multiway flop. Often times they won't be the best but they'll get better hands to fold.

34 pairs without a set isnt' a big deal. It happens. You just need to play more hands. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Poker's pretty frustrating. It may be a good idea to take a break if you're getting upset.

--Dave.

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I did ok this month.

http://img124.echo.cx/img124/3174/april45jq.jpg

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Well someone plays a lot.

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Tasty...1,112 in rake

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Imagine how well you could do if you weren't a total rock. Way to run good though.

-DeathDonkey

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Play much? That's close to 2,000 hands a day.

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I play 8 tables at once. I'll play 400 hands, take a break, play 400 hands, take a break, etc..

To the poster that said I'm a rock that's just runnin good: ,,l,,

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Man, I can relate. I feel I play decently and consistently beat the .50/1.00 tables at Party, BUT not for the big money like some of the other posters.

My biggest problem, I think, was my lack of aggression on later streets - that's where the money is.

So yeah, I'd make some money, get up 50-100 BB, then have runs of bad luck and be back down around even. (I have fateful, fateful, heartbreaking down swings during which I magnify my problems by clinging to marginal hands.)


I once thought that reads were unnecessary at this level. I mean these guys are all fish, right? Well, now I feel reads at this level are just as important, if not more, than at any other level. You experience so many different types of players here: anywhere in the spectrum between calling stations and maniacs; so you have to know how each of these players play their hands so you know how to react back.

Admittedly, I still make too many mistakes, i.e. aggression in the wrong spots, focusing on what I'm holding instead of what my opponents probably hold, wussing out on later streets, etc... But, it is getting better, and you will too.

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Get a life!

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Dude your stats are rockish.

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Rockish? As in the Tight-Passive-Passive boulder icon in pokertracker? Or rockish as in your VP$IP is very low compared to the 18-20% that we here at 2+2 Micro-Limit Forums preach as gospel?

My post-flop aggression numbers:
Flop: 2.14
Turn: 2.10
River: 1.92

Total: 2.04

I don't agree that these are rockish stats.

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Your vpip is 13.72, w$@sd at 62.42, pfr at less than 7. You also fold your blinds to steals over 90% of the time. I'm not telling you how to play, but I think you could be winning more.

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To the poster that said I'm a rock that's just runnin good: ,,l,,

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Seriously, don't listen to DeathDonkey. He doesn't know what he's talking about. You're play would be better if you just put him on ignore now. <font color="white"> moron </font>

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I can be insulted anywhere. But only at 2+2 can I be insulted by someone and have his buddy with 2000 posts from OOT follow it up with sarcasm.

nh both of you

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To the poster that said I'm a rock that's just runnin good: ,,l,,

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Seriously, don't listen to DeathDonkey. He doesn't know what he's talking about. You're play would be better if you just put him on ignore now. <font color="white"> moron </font>

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that invisible moron thing was tricky, too bad i highlight [censored] while I read it out of habit :O

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Nice winrate. But you are certainly playing well, finding great tables and running well. To deny that is just plain silly.

Your stats are fine for .50/1. It just goes to show that .50/1 is beatable using many different styles. Most of us prefer seeing numbers where every +EV situation is exploited. With your numbers you are passing up on many profitable situations. That's all they are trying to say. You fold when you should bet a lot. You can be defensive and stick to a profitable but not optimal style or you can try to learn from others with a different perspective. The choice is yours.

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Thanks droolie. You can tell someone has class when they make a post like you just did.

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I can be insulted anywhere. But only at 2+2 can I be insulted by someone and have his buddy with 2000 posts from OOT follow it up with sarcasm.

nh both of you

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Matador? Cinnamon Wind?

What are you doing playing .5/1?????

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This thread gets better and better. Now there's a conspiracy. No, I'm not Cinnamon Wind or the Matador. Before anyone asks, I'm not Vince Lepore or Smoothcall either. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Move up to 15/30 immediately.

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Party is rigged.

That is all.

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HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW can you beat these freaking morons at a 2+ BB/100 rate?



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Seriously. Play 2/4. 0.5/1 is clearly not your game.