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Just curious; (yes I know everyone only has a rough idea, and there are loads of problems with variation etc etc but still curious as to the mid-high stakes NL crowd distribution).

Well, it appears that Richie Rich decided to vote. Sorry, cheap shot. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I'm curious who was at 170+.

Well, I get the feeling the people who voted 170+ fall into the same class of jackass as those that voted 90-. To see where you fit in percentile-wise, here's an interesting link.

http://members.shaw.ca/delajara/IQtable.html

Yes, you're probably right. I am always curious about the "incredibly intelligent"--whatever--though.

Mensa is 130+ I believe, top 2%.

I'm mostly a SSNL player, but I voted as well. Hope it doesn't skew the results too much. Oh, and it was an estimate, and possibly a generous one.

-Trail

How exactly does one estimate his/her IQ?

This poll is fast becoming exposed for the travishamockery that it is.

I have taken a few online IQ tests and have scored from 135 to 143 on them.

I still make terrible decisions playing poker all the time.

I would also like to know who these super geniuses are that are 170+.

Mensa has two different tests. Membership requires a minimum score of 130 on the Wexler Test, and a minimum score of 132 on the Stanford-Binet Test.

Actually i think the results are quite good. When you discard the 170+ and 90- ones its a pretty nice normal distribution. (I only put those options on it so the morons would all vote for the same so we can discard easily).

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I have taken a few online IQ tests and have scored from 135 to 143 on them.

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me too, except 130-145.
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I still make terrible decisions playing poker all the time.

I would also like to know who these super geniuses are that are 170+.

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i dont think IQ directly correlates to poker aptitude...

I would bet my life that there is a positive correlation. Perhaps a large scatter, but definitely a positive correlation.

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I agree, but I said direct correlation

obviously retards wont be nearly as good as sklasnky...

sorry if the above is politically incorrect

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Man, these tests are extremely hard for me. The very first one in particular. Bah. I got like 108. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Can anyone explain questions 13 and 14 of the culture fair IQ test (the ones with one pentagon inside the other with differing connectors) I have been staring at them for 45 minutes and don't even know where to start.

-Steve

This is based on no solid data, but my hunch is that the majority of successful poker players would score in the superior range of IQ's (above average but below genius level).

I find it hard to believe that many geniuses would become so fascinated with a game that although it has many nuances, is not particularly complex.

Now don't misunderstand me, I am sure that there are geniuses who are pro poker players. Personally, I would doubt that the majority are this intelligent.

As far as our little survey, I have a feeling people are being generous with themselves. For someone to have an IQ above 150 is very rare indeed.

I for one will admit I have never scored that high.

David

The Ultimate IQ test is fairly easy. For what its worth

I've taken a few tests and I have scored 159-162.

IQ tests compare your mental age to your chronological age. They lose validity after age 15.

i have not read a single reply here yet so this may have already been brought up, but surveying IQ scores without actually knowing what the scale of one's test is cannot yield meaningful results. There are quite a few IQ tests used today, and each have different percentile scales so a IQ of 150 may make you a genius on one test and a tard on another.

i also should point out that if you trim this sample, it's histogram may look kinda normal. but its value seems to be centered at 130-140. and on some commly used IQ scales (as said above), like the welscher (sp?) scale, 130+ puts you ahead of 98% of people. is everybody at this forum that high above the mean? also, i am not even sure if all scales even go up to 170...

"is everybody at this forum that high above the mean?"

Not even close.

"welscher"

Weschler.

"i am not even sure if all scales even go up to 170..."

The Stanford-Binet V and the Cattell Culture-Fair Forms A+B can identify adult persons with an IQ at or above 170 using a SD of 16. Internet tests are garbage (with a few exceptions).

And there is a positive correlation between IQ and anything requiring thought. That's the idea. Given that poker requires one to simulate the thoughts and behaviors of the opposition on an ongoing basis ('higher-order intentionality'), which is one of the most complicated tasks the brain can perform, I'd say poker skill is very highly correlated with IQ. Of course, most players never get to the stage where 'higher-order intentionality' makes or breaks them as a player in a given game; but, assuming they get there, what distinguishes the great player from the merely good or average player is probably 'nothing more' than raw neurological potential.

correct me if i am wrong (cause i very well may be) but isnt the Weschler test one of the most commonly used tests, and doesn't it max out at a score of 150?

How hard is it to get ahold of an IQ test that gives me a good idea of where I fall? Are the internet ones really that bad?

go to the one that is linked to in this thread.

The Wechsler tests measure deviation IQs, with a standard deviation of 15 points of IQ . For adults, the ceiling on the Wechsler tests depends upon the age of the adult test subject.
Wechsler tests yield somewhat lower scores at the higher levels of IQ even after correcting for the 15/16 ratio of their standard deviations. Our own investigations of the relationship between Stanford-Binet IQs and Wechsler IQs suggests that a Wechsler IQ of 155 would correspond to a Stanford-Binet IQ of about 173.
Measuring 11 different facets of intelligence as they do, the Wechsler IQ tests are influenced by breadth of capability in various cognitive areas, as opposed to depth. They were designed as clinical evaluation instruments, and can detect various kinds of neurological problems. Dr. Wechsler warned that his tests should not be used above an IQ of 130, but they are commonly used to measure IQs considerably higher than that. One word of caution about IQ tests: they are subject to "ceiling effects" as an examinee approaches the ceilings of a test. For example, with the Wechsler tests, someone might make a perfect or almost-perfect score on several of the verbal subtests, but fail to make a perfect score on several others. Consequently, the indivdual in question wouldn't have bee adequately tested on those subtests for which she "hit the ceiling".
As mentioned above, Wechsler-derived IQs are adjusted for age to offset the cognitive decline that attends aging.
Generally, one's mental age stops rising rapidly when one reaches the latter teens--e. g., 16. Consequently, on some IQ tests, "16" was taken as the chronological-age divisor in an IQ calculation for adults. The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale is calibrated for all ages up to 70, with chronological-age divisors appropriate to every age 70 or below.
The average IQ is, by definition, 100. To get an idea what this means, someone with an IQ of 80 or below is considered to be marginally able to cope with the adult world. People with IQ's of 80 or below typically work as unskilled laborers such as lawn maintenance and trash pickup. They generally need help from friends or family to manage life's complications. About 10% of the population has an IQ of 80 or below.
People with IQ's of 80-90 are a little on the slow side but may be found in fast-food restaurants, day-care centers, etc. They may also be found in unskilled jobs. About 16% of the population has IQ's in this range.
People with IQ's of 90-110 generally occupy semi-skilled positions, including typists, receptionists, assembly line workers, and checkout clerks. They are able to keep up with the world, and comprise about 46% of the public.
People with IQ's in the 110 to 120 range fill the skilled trades and include some tool and die makers, teachers, and Ph. D.'s among their ranks. They also make up 16% of the population.
People with IQ's of 120 and above tend to staff the professions as doctors, dentists, lawyers, teachers, and college professors. They fall in the upper 10% of the population.

source: http://hiqnews.megafoundation.org/Definition_of_IQ.html

Thought this might interest some of you.

David

http://www.highiqsociety.org/img/gif/iqtests/ult23q.jpg

If A is 13, and B is 24, what is C? Can anybody explain this? I have no clue what the hell it means. #23 took me a long time, but I think I got it. I'm alright at spotting patterns, but Math is my worst subject. I have the math education of about 6th grade. If that.

Well I just took the long test on Richie's link and came out with 136, which mildly disappointed me. When I was tested in grade school I was at 138.

I think IQ has a lot to do with success at poker.

I was very confused by the folded paper-like questions - I can't think like that - and I think they hurt my score a lot :/

Ryan

looks to me like the big spheres are worth 7 each, the small ones 2 each, add them up

I don't think they want you to discuss the questions publically because it will ruin the validity of the test.

...Given that, the problem is basically simple algebra.

A- 1 large spehere and 3 small: X + 3Y = 13
B- 2 large and 5 small: 2X +5Y = 24

solve for X and Y

Y = 2
X = 7

therefore:

c- X + 2Y = 11

Or you could note that the middle figure is the left and right figures combined. 24-13=11.

I don't know how so many people here know their IQ. If it is thru all the different IQ tests on the Internet, it's not worth anything.

An other problem is that a number on 140 says nothing at all, because the scale vary. Mensa have used 24 as base earlyer, but now use 15. That means that an IQ on 156 with 24 as base, is exactly the same an 131 with 15 as base.

It's true that mensa require above 130 which corresponds to top 2%.

The most serious test I know of, which is free, is this: http://mensa.dk/testiq.html. Forget the introduction text, it's in danish. The test is language and culture neutral. You have 40 minutes for 39 questions.

This test correlates very closely to Ravens II, which means it is very accurate on scores up to the best 1 percentile. Above that, you need an other test. And just forget to find it on the net. It really needs expertice to messure that.

For all you with 150-170 - try the "MEGA test" (use google - it's somewhere out there). It don't count anymore because it's well known, but it's a nice challange.

The one thing that confused me about the question was whether the balloons took up less space when touching each other. In the last picture the small ball is floating by itself. I think I looked too deeply into it but then figured it out.

By the way, your score on many IQ tests will go up(up to a certain score), the more you take them. Just like you can get better and better on the SAT the more you practice. Learning some simple tricks and reviewing old tests could be very helpful.

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You magnificent bastard. nh. My math is so horrible.

Re: Poll: IQ (SPOILER ON CULTURE FAIR TEST)

Sup Fiji,
#13: The pattern is as follows. There are six Triangles, each one divided into triants (if that's a word). The first figure has a shaded triant in the reference triangle. The second is in the one right after it. The third is in the one two triangles after that one. The fourth is in the triangle three triangles after the previous one, and so on. The triant it is in is simply rotational; it rotates from the one closest to the right neighboring triangle, to the outermost (with relation to the figure's center) triant, and finally to the one next to the left neighboring triangle.

The answer is d), I believe.

Have no idea about 14.

BTW, how are things up on East Hill? Is Fiji still the hardest partying frat on campus? And when is slope day this year? Can't be far, I'd imagine...

add up the number of lines going out of each node. A has 3. I has 4 (2 singles and 1 double), and so on increasing by 1 each time; the answer is F.