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pshabi 04-27-2005 02:51 PM

Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
Alright, I'm posting this here because I don't think the person in question reads here. I've got an issue that I'd like advice on.

A little over a week or so ago, some guy came onto another message board I frequent, and wanted to play in our NLHE tourney on Pokerstars. Of course, you guessed it, he needed a transfer.

I'm a nice guy, he transfers $50 to my party account, I help him out with $50 on Stars.

A week later, I try cash out my winnings from reload time at Party, total cashout up over $1100. I get a call two days later telling me that they are withholding the money that was transferred to me because of possible "fraudulent activity in his account." So, basically, homeboy took my $50, blew it, and then the $50 he gave me got taken away because of his "fraudulent activities."

I told the guy that the money was taken away and he told me he would look into it. He was obviously doing something wrong, because Party asked him to send some identifying documents and he refused. In his correspondence with me, he told me he was "giving up" his account. Why would any honest person do that?

Anyway, he promised to work to pay me back. If he couldn't get the money from Party he would, "most likely" make a deposit and pay me that way. Most likely? Anway......

in the meantime he gets some money on Stars and he's bragging about SNG finishes, etc. I'm hounding him for my cash, etc. He's replying with crap like, "I told you when I got $50 I'd pay you, I've only got $46 LOL" and bullshit like that.

So, after a week or so of this, I decide to take matters into my own hands. I called Party, we had a very in depth phone call and I voiced my displeasure that I was having my money withheld (I'm a good customer routine). Well they finally told me to "settle it offline." My final strong arm tactic was this: "Are you telling me that $50 is worth more to you than my business? If that's what you're telling me, say yes, we hang up, and I never play on Party again." I'm put on hold again, and they finally come back telling me that they've credited the account with Party money and that the original transfer was going back to whatshisface's fraudulent account.

Then I get home later, and I find out my scammer has in fact made good and paid me in Poker Stars. I told him that Party comped me and he demanded that I pay him back.

I told him to stick it because Party paid me with their money, not his. Remember, you've been playing all week on my money. I gave you $50, you gave me $50, we're square. If you want your $50 back, resolve it with Party and get it back.

Remember, I had to deal with his antics for a week, I had to sit through a grueling conversation with Party for 30 minutes (if you've ever called the investigations team, you know I'm not exaggerating).

Does anyone think that morally, I should give this cat back his $50 or should I take the $50 for my troubles and the lesson I had to learn about not transferring to ANYONE?

Sponger15SB 04-27-2005 02:53 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
Anyone else find this confusing and not care?

Dariel86 04-27-2005 03:14 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
Me, but I would say no

astroglide 04-27-2005 03:34 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
you owe him nothing

WhiteWolf 04-27-2005 03:35 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
The 'correct' thing to do would be to keep his money but pay Party back their money....

Yobz 04-27-2005 03:37 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
You owe him nothing.

lucas9000 04-27-2005 03:39 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
as dumb as this might sound, i'd give party their $50 back before i'd give him back a dime. he owed you $50. he repayed the $50. end of story as to him. as for party, i might feel a little bad keeping their $50 after getting paid by him, but then again they're a bunch of tools and they make $50 in about half a second of rake on the site, so probably no big deal. bottom line: you and him are square...whether you feel you owe party anything or not is another story.

U235 04-27-2005 03:40 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
Lemme get this straight:

You -> Minor Scumbag $50
Party -> You $50
Minor Scumbag -> You $50

Cancel out the dealings with the minor scumbag, and it looks like you owe Party the $50, not the minor scumbag. Of course, it may be a little difficult to give back, you may just want to donate to a charity or something.

No way in hell you should give another $50 to the Minor Scumbag, however.

DMBFan23 04-27-2005 03:43 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Do you think I owe Party Poker money?

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yes

Aukai 04-27-2005 03:58 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
If you don't give Party back that $50, they'll hit the suckout switch on you. After the 10th 1-outer river beat, you'll wish you had.

Seriously though, they acted in good faith in giving you that $50, it would be a +KV (karma value) play to give it back to them, even if they wipe their asses with $50.

dogmeat 04-27-2005 04:06 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
No, you don't owe this guy anything. But you owe Party $50, and you owe me $5 for reading this.

Dogmeat [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

pshabi 04-27-2005 04:07 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
LMAO!

That's about it!

When I play poker, people say I give to their charity, so I guess that counts.

Regardless of what I decide, I'm gonna tell minor scumbag that I gave the money to Party to piss him off.

DMBFan23 04-27-2005 04:08 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
[ QUOTE ]

Regardless of what I decide, I'm gonna tell minor scumbag that I gave the money to Party to piss him off.

[/ QUOTE ]

vnh

pshabi 04-27-2005 04:09 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
they don't wipe their asses with $50. They wipe their ass with $1,000 and if some accidentally gets on their hand or under their nails, they wipe that out with $50.

casinogosain 04-27-2005 04:35 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
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Anyone else find this confusing and not care?

[/ QUOTE ]

No and Yes, in that order.

-Ash

BigBadJonV 04-27-2005 05:29 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
if u continue playing at party poker, you will eventually give them there 50$ back through rake anyways. If the other guy had paid you back and you still did not play at party poker anymore, they would get 0$ from you from here to forever. Also the last time party comped me they did it through bonus dollars, which means you had to play to release it, something like 150 raked hands for 50$ for comps, maybe it was 250 for party don't remember, but the rake they get from your action would be similar to 50$ I believe. I think your fine by keeping it.

PuckNPoker 04-27-2005 05:42 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
From the movie "A Bronx Tale":
[ QUOTE ]
Colagero, now called C by Sonny, is seventeen years old. We see him getting out of his father's bus and spotting someone who owes him $20.

Colagero: Louie!

Louie: My grandmother's sick. I gotta get out of here. I'll talk to you later. I can't. I gotta go do something.

Colagero: Where's my ****ing money? You're ****ing dead when I catch you, you piece of [censored].

Sonny: C, come here. What's the matter with this kid? Get over here.

Johnny: The kid wants his ****ing money.

Sonny: I gotta talk to him. I got to stop babying him.

Colagero: He owes me money.

Johnny: Hit him with a ****ing bat.

Man: Knock him all over the ****ing block.

Sonny: Is that the advice you give your kid? Is that the advice? You ****ing hoodlums. Come on. Don't listen to these hoodlums. Gonna go to Gino's, I'll be right back.

Sonny: What's the matter?

Colagero: This guy Louie Dumps over here, you know, he owes me twenty dollars. It's been two weeks now, and every time he sees me, he keeps dodging me. He's becoming a real pain in the ass, should I crack him one or what?

Sonny: What have I been telling you, sometimes hurting someone ain't the answer. First of all, is he a friend of yours?

Colagero: No, I don't even like him.

Sonny: You don't even like him. There's your answer right there. Look at it this way, it cost you twenty dollars to get rid of him. Right? He's never gonna bother you again. He's never gonna ask you for money again. He's out of your life for 20 dollars. You got off cheap. Forget about it.

Colagero: You're always right. You're always right.

[/ QUOTE ]

elmo 04-27-2005 05:52 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
Why would you tell that guy that party paid you back? You certainly dont owe him money, and his opinion on whether you should give party the money back is irrelevant.

Moonsugar 04-27-2005 06:15 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
You should give party their money back.

AviD 04-27-2005 06:19 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
Ask him if he accepts Sklansky Dollars or that you "only have $46 LOL".

F him, you owe him nothing.

CourtesyFlush 04-27-2005 07:35 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
[ QUOTE ]
No, you don't owe this guy anything. But you owe Party $50, and you owe me $5 for reading this.

Dogmeat [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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pokergrader 04-27-2005 08:09 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Cancel out the dealings with the minor scumbag, and it looks like you owe Party the $50, not the minor scumbag. Of course, it may be a little difficult to give back, you may just want to donate to a charity or something.

No way in hell you should give another $50 to the Minor Scumbag, however.

[/ QUOTE ]

Seems like the best idea i've heard in this thread.

MrGrob 04-27-2005 08:20 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
Yea, tell party he made good, and to take their cash back...and tell him to F-OFF!!!

NLSoldier 04-27-2005 09:41 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
[ QUOTE ]
No, you don't owe this guy anything. But you owe Party $50, and you owe me $5 for reading this.



[/ QUOTE ]

Equal 04-27-2005 09:54 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
Fold pre-flop. And by that I mean, why on earth would you "lend" someone cash?

God people are so stupid. That being said give Party it's money back. I would send them ONE email explaining the situation, then if you get back a typical lol Party customer support email then keep it.

pshabi 04-28-2005 01:23 AM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
I'll fold preflop everytime in the future.

I didn't LEND money though. He transfered first, then I transfered. A week later, I go to cash out, and they are basically freezing the $50 he gave me cause he was a dirtbag.

I didn't realize Party could/would do that. I was more pissed that my account was associated with said dumbass more than anything. Next thing you know they're freezing your account and you never know.

trainslayer 04-28-2005 01:38 AM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
[ QUOTE ]
You should give party their money back.

[/ QUOTE ]

uw_madtown 04-28-2005 11:40 AM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
[ QUOTE ]
A little over a week or so ago, some guy came onto another message board I frequent

[/ QUOTE ]

Am I the only one who wondered why he's reading other message boards?

pshabi 04-28-2005 11:43 AM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
I post hands and read hand histories here for feedback on my play. The other site is a small, tight-knit group who I basically socialize with and play tournaments with.

tripdad 04-28-2005 11:47 AM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
[ QUOTE ]
they don't wipe their asses with $50. They wipe their ass with $1,000 and if some accidentally gets on their hand or under their nails, they wipe that out with $50.

[/ QUOTE ]

actually, many people in that part of the world wipe their asses with their hands. no paper, no money, no nothing.

cheers!

Chykynlyps 04-28-2005 12:03 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
[censored] him dude - you dont owe him [censored]

texasholdemnut 04-28-2005 12:45 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
You did exactly what I would do, screw that joker, he owed you, he finally paid, you get comped $50 for your troubles.

jaym 04-28-2005 01:01 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
Granted Party is a big evil overshores cashcow, but am I the only one that is a little pissed that he pulled some "im quitting if you dont pay me" bullshit with the Party folks? It's not their fault you got into a deal with some lowlife, why should they be forced to fix it?

Give Party the money and tell the other cat to F off.

sabre170 04-28-2005 01:58 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
You should call Party and give their money back.

TheBook22 04-28-2005 02:04 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
chop the 50 and good karma for u

droolie 04-28-2005 02:48 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
No, you don't owe this guy anything. But you owe Party $50, and you owe me $5 for reading this.

Dogmeat [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

I owe you $5 for that avatar. Damn! That works better than viagra.

spoohunter 04-28-2005 03:35 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
I think you owe me money for making me read this. Just $10 though.

Amid Cent 04-28-2005 04:23 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
[ QUOTE ]

actually, many people in that part of the world wipe their asses with their hands. no paper, no money, no nothing.

cheers!

[/ QUOTE ]

I will pay you $50 to NEVER share that particular piece of information ever again.

Lawrence Ng 04-28-2005 06:09 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Anyone else find this confusing and not care?

[/ QUOTE ]

I find this amusing and I don't care.

Lawrence

jonnyv 04-29-2005 10:40 PM

Re: Do you think I owe this guy money?
 
why the hell did you tell him party comped you in the first place? Its your money so keep it


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