Standard with QTs ?
 

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (10.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: (14.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18.75 BB

Re: Standard with QTs ?
 

Fold preflop.

Flop is good.

Raise the turn, fold to a 3-bet.

Bet the river when checked to you.

Re: Standard with QTs ?
 

This is maybe your #1 leak. You call too many raises. And no, you can't 3-bet this PF, either. Read SSHE and actually study it-seriously. It covers this stuff well.

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I think that coldcall preflop is pretty bad.

Re: Standard with QTs ?
 

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This is maybe your #1 leak. You call too many raises. And no, you can't 3-bet this PF, either. Read SSHE and actually study it-seriously. It covers this stuff well.

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Re: Standard with QTs ?
 

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I think that coldcall preflop is pretty bad.

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Re: Standard with QTs ?
 

the coldcall preflop sucks. stop playing 2/4 if you're still making those calls. it'll cost you lots of money.

someone said raise the turn and fold to a 3-bet. i think that sucks too because it sucks to fold a clean 2 to 5 outer when you don't have to.

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This is maybe your #1 leak. You call too many raises. And no, you can't 3-bet this PF, either. Read SSHE and actually study it-seriously. It covers this stuff well.

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Are you somehow under the impression that Harv is Button in this hand?

Re: Standard with QTs ?
 

preflop enough already said... on the flop a raise is good i wouldnt let that bet stop you from being agressive on the turn i would raise. if you get some resistance after that you will most likley have to fold but thats what happens when you make those kinds of preflop decisions there are a lot of hands that get raised preflop that you could easily be behind

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I'd fold preflop, play the flop and turn the same, and bet the river when checked to. I'd rather call than raise the turn -- you've got odds to see the river, but I don't think you're ahead enough for a raise to be for value. You can't reasonably fold to a 3-bet since at that point the pot is likely to be huge.

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someone said raise the turn and fold to a 3-bet. i think that sucks too because it sucks to fold a clean 2 to 5 outer when you don't have to.

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I'm raising because I feel I'm very unlikely to get 3-bet by anything less than trips (in which case I'm drawing to only 2 outs), I want the PFR out of the hand, and I feel I have a decent chance of taking the pot down immediately with that turn raise.

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Results:

MP1 has Jd Jc (two pair, jacks and sixes).
MP2 has 7c Tc (two pair, tens and sixes).
Hero has Qh Th (two pair, tens and sixes).
Button has As Ac (two pair, aces and sixes).
Outcome: Button wins 18.75 BB. </font>

Re: Standard with QTs ?
 

I'm going to differ from others on the turn. I think the advice to raise the turn is CRAZY. After leading the flop and getting raised, the pre-flop raiser again leads out into a field of FOUR people on the turn. There's no way he's doing this with overcards or a pocket pair lower than tens. He probably has a big pair and you're likely drawing to 5 outs at most but more likely 2 outs. And that's just against the villain! There's still TWO calling stations in there who you have to compete against. I don't like it one bit. I think raising is almost surely spewing and although the pot is large even folding the turn isn't unreasonable IMO. Curse yourself for getting involved with this hand in the first place.