Avert your eyes
 

I'm going to piecemeal this one. Let me know what you'd do on the flop. Then I'll give you rest of the info. I REALLY blundered on this hand and I'm hoping this post is a tad cathartic. Read on. The brutal part is the reads. Both guys are donkeys and yet I end up leading the wagon train to destruction. Go!

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Hero ($83.7)
CO ($24)
Button ($55.62)
SB ($38.15)
BB ($66.35)
UTG ($36.28)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $6</font>, Hero calls $3.50, BB calls $3.50.

Flop: ($18.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $5</font>

Action's on you.

Re: Avert your eyes
 

I hate that flop. UTG can have AA, AJS, QKs, TT or whatever if he is a doneky. Against one player I would take my chances and raise him all-in (hoping he has AK). The problem is UTG 2. Can he have a straight? QKs is a nice limping hand for a donkey.

pot-size raise?

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Make it $20 or $25 to go.

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Okay, I'm guessing the pot sized raise is going to be the general consensus. So, I'll move forward.

I raise to $30 which is like 2 bucks more than potsized. The BB checkraises all in for $60 more and UTG calls his last $25. So the pot is now around $135 and it costs you around $30 to call. Pot's giving you about 4.5:1.

Crying call?

Re: Avert your eyes
 

Call.

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I call. You're not drawing dead to KQ. You're almost drawing dead to AA (unless you hit the last Jack). I don't think you can drop this unless you're absolutely sure someone has AA.

ViperBull

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Okay, I'm guessing the pot sized raise is going to be the general consensus. So, I'll move forward.

I raise to $30 which is like 2 bucks more than potsized. The BB checkraises all in for $60 more and UTG calls his last $25. So the pot is now around $135 and it costs you around $30 to call. Pot's giving you about 4.5:1.

Crying call?

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More like laughing call.

Re: Avert your eyes
 

I don't think you made a single blunder on this hand (assuming you made the crying call). If you flop a set with JJ and lose, it's going to cost you a pile of chips, there is no way around it. If you had said that UTG is very tight, such that you can confidantly put him on AA or KK for his preflop limp-reraise then fold preflop. Against a donkey, play it just the way you did.

For the record, yes, make the crying call. You have odds to fill up and I still don't believe UTG has AA. If he had been the one to check-raise, I would be a little more inclined to fold, but with his $5 bet into an $18 pot, I am unconvinced. I do expect to see BB with KQ for the straight, but you have odds to try for your full house.

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I thought about just letting this post drop, but in the interest of full disclosure I folded. I couldn't think of any hand UTG could have besides AA and call all that action. I figured his $5 was a weak lead and so I laid down my '1 outer'.

The turn and river bricked and the BB picked it up with AQ and UTG mucked KK. Awful.

But man, I do love Party Poker.

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Crying call?


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Why would yu be calling...you can call this simply drawing to the FH.

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KQ, and AA are the only hands that beat you, and you still have outs to KQ. If either of them had KQ, I think they would wait till the turn to push since there is no flush draw and they allreayd have the nuts anyway?? So I guess that leaves you up against A/A.

I just think there is too much money in this pot to fold, especially since only 2 possible holdings can beat you. I call this.

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I thought about just letting this post drop, but in the interest of full disclosure I folded. I couldn't think of any hand UTG could have besides AA and call all that action. I figured his $5 was a weak lead and so I laid down my '1 outer'.

The turn and river bricked and the BB picked it up with AQ and UTG mucked KK. Awful.

But man, I do love Party Poker.

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Think your last line should have been in your thinking. You're playing against two 'donkeys' on PARTY POKER. Obviously you can't see anything but AA, but you're still on PP.

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Call...he likely has AK

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Why would yu be calling...you can call this simply drawing to the FH.

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Well, of course that's my first thought. 'The math just makes sense.' But then I thought for a second more (a mistake on party) and thought, 'What the hell else could UTG have besides AA? My instincts are phenomenal! I will look into his soul and make a stellar laydown!'

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Think your last line should have been in your thinking. You're playing against two 'donkeys' on PARTY POKER. Obviously you can't see anything but AA, but you're still on PP.

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So very very true.

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Call...he likely has AK

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As the carcas of jester lies steaming on the floor, his minimal brain mass leaking on the floor, several others stop by to give him a good, swift kick in the nuts.

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Re: Avert your eyes
 

If you ever fold a hand at Party $50 thinking I just made an amazing lay down, you should cry a little bit and then wish really hard to go back in time 15 seconds.