Big game at Bellagio (Not Beal\'s game)
 

Everytime I read something about the regular big mixed game at Bellagio, the cast of characters always seems to be the same. Brunson Sr. and Jr., Hansen, Ivy, Chau Giang, Chan, Negraneau, Ezra, Reese, Greenstein, etc...

Here is my question. These players are all represented to be great winning cash game players. But they always seem to be playing each other only. Someone has to lose. They can't all be winners in this game. So my question is who really gets the better of this game, and who really loses?

Any thoughts?

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The regulars could all be winners if enough tourists sit in and take a shot.

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Yes, it's been said here and other places that there are some big fish...

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I saw the big game on Saturday when I was at the Bellagio, it was a $2000/4000 mixed game. The only players I recognized were Gus Hansen, Barry Greenstein, Jennifer Harmon, and Sammy Farha. I doubt it is the same lineup all the time.

As usual all the dealers hated the big game because they said they never get toked.

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As usual all the dealers hated the big game because they said they never get toked.

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I thought I saw something about those guys paying a flat rate to play...could be wrong.

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As usual all the dealers hated the big game because they said they never get toked.

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I thought I saw something about those guys paying a flat rate to play...could be wrong.

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it's very small; like $10 per half hour, as i remember it.

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You are correct it is $10/half hour someone at my table asked one of the dealers about it. The dealer seemd also very happy to mention that the big game was not in his rotation.

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As usual all the dealers hated the big game because they said they never get toked.

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I thought I saw something about those guys paying a flat rate to play...could be wrong.

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What does that have to do with tipping the dealer? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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On a related note, this is from Negreanu's website, it is his cash game results for the last two months-ish.

Date Limit Hours Result
Feb 6 1500-3000 7 +45,600
Feb 21 4000-8000 8 -251,000
Feb 22 4000-8000 8 -190,000
Feb 26 4000-8000 5 +598,000
Mar 1 4000-8000 31 -114,000
Mar 18 2000-4000 2.5 + 16,500
Mar 30 2000-4000 5.5 + 25,300
Apr 9 100-200 NL 1.5 + 1,200
Apr 15 2000-4000 3 + 78,000
Apr 16 4000-8000 6 +120,000
Totals 77.5 +329,600
Hourly Rate= $4252.90

source = www.fullcontactpoker.com

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77 hours is almost meaningless, but good for daniel, I wonder what his hourly would be like after 500 hours....

They play with 1 dollar chips, so tipping the dealer would be equivalent to tossing away 4000....I'm not surprised they don't tip

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I was wondering something about the big mixed game. According to Barry Greenstein's website they play no limit and pot limit games with a $100,000 cap. What are the blinds when they switch to these games? Do they stay at $2k/$4k?

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They switch to 1k/2k

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with a 1k ante and a 100k cap to lose per hand! Sounds like a crap-shoot to me.

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As usual all the dealers hated the big game because they said they never get toked.

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It must be because the dealers at the bellagio don't do their job very well. When the big game was going at the commerce last month, at least two dealers mentioned how happy they were to deal the game. One of the dealers said she had the best night of her life tokewise when she dealt the game.

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They play with 1 dollar chips, so tipping the dealer would be equivalent to tossing away 4000....I'm not surprised they don't tip

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They were playing with $1000 chips at the Bellagio. I'm sure the players could get a couple blue chips to use for toking.

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Does anyone know the guy's name that wears the shorts, t-shirt and flip-flops in the Big Game? He has a European accent. I've seen him in the game often.

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Out of the listed regulars at Barry Greenstein's site, Sammy Farha and Gus Hansen are the ones with the lowest rating for side games, with a 6. Maybe the money is coming from them when the tourists aren't around. I wouldn't be so surprised if it was Gus though, becase he has so much money in coming from the tournaments.

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The big donators in that game are Larry Flynt, Rene Ageneil, and Jerry Buss.

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that seems like a real small time charge, the 80 games in AC are 10 an hr.

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The big donators in that game are Larry Flynt, Rene Ageneil, and Jerry Buss.

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Larry Flynt does not play in the Bellagio mixed game. He's played exclusively 7 card stud for decades. He has his own game at the Hustler Casino.

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The big donators in that game are Larry Flynt, Rene Ageneil, and Jerry Buss.

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Larry Flynt does not play in the Bellagio mixed game. He's played exclusively 7 card stud for decades. He has his own game at the Hustler Casino.

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From what has been written, the big donators to the game, besides Andy Beal, have just been random rich business-types guys who come and play high limits for fun and the pros take their money, not necessarily any certain set of famous people.

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Farha is pretty fishy in every game but PLO, from what I understand.

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Farha is pretty fishy in every game but PLO, from what I understand.

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Really? Did Doyle tell you that?

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No, but Barry Greenstein's player profile on Farha indicates that they structure the game around him (i.e., they always include PLO when he's playing). This is something that players in a big game do to keep a fish happy.

By the way, your sarcasm was noted and totally unnecessary.

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No, but Barry Greenstein's player profile on Farha indicates that they structure the game around him (i.e., they always include PLO when he's playing). This is something that players in a big game do to keep a fish happy.

By the way, your sarcasm was noted and totally unnecessary.

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I have no idea how you conclude that they do this for sammy from reading this...

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Sammy may be the most feared short-handed pot-limit Omaha player in the world. He is so good that we only play Omaha with him in mixed-games with one or two other games added.

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Probably by reading this
Weakness: Any game except Omaha

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So his weakness is every game BUT PLO....THAT MEANS HE'S GOOD AT PLO.

You read good!

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Right, that's precisely why I said that they include PLO in the mix when he plays, to keep the fish happy.

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I don't believe I'd go as far as calling Sammy Farha a fish.

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Farha did make that interesting comment that he had to place at least 2nd to breakeven/win on his trip to the WSOP in 2003. So maybe he was stuck in this game?

I love the guy, he is great to watch.

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You're right, I was exaggerating, but relative to the other players, he's "the fish".

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Right, that's precisely why I said that they include PLO in the mix when he plays, to keep the fish happy.

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Believe whatever you want to believe, but I have no clue how you arrived at all your conclusions.

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Doyle told me.

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At first I thought you were serious, now I'm sure you're a 100% troll.

Next time don't lay it on so thick and it won't be so obvious. And could you please start your next thread about the cashout curse, I haven't seen one of those in a while.

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Actually, I'm not a troll, I responded with "Doyle told me" because that's how he began the argument. I made a statement that I had heard that Sam was one of the donors in the game, and he asked, "Really? Did Doyle tell you that?"

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By the way, your sarcasm was noted and totally unnecessary.

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Sarcasm is always necessary on the OOT and WPT forums.