Turbo MTT would you push these types of hands late?
 

WSOP first 39 get $33 seat in qualifier I am about 50.

I have only played one other turbo and never got close until this one. How much do you need to loosen up and what stack to blind ratio would you loosen up a lot to include maybe any A or K?

Any help would be appreciated. thanks

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (9 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">UTG+1 (t1351)</font>
Hero (t6475)
MP2 (t12430)
MP3 (t10195)
CO (t9922)
Button (t11263)
SB (t6795)
<font color="#C00000">BB (t13425)</font>
UTG (t10535)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t1276</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, BB calls t76.

would have doubled up and then some on that hand as luck would have it.


another hand later

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (9 handed) converter

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Button (t13566)
Hero (t4100)
<font color="#C00000">BB (t15955)</font>
UTG (t13620)
<font color="#C00000">UTG+1 (t3727)</font>
MP1 (t10888)
MP2 (t15540)
MP3 (t14601)
CO (t7160)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t3627</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, BB calls t1627.

Can, and should you use something like SKlansky's system of going all in using that formula, or something like it, with those hands as outlined in TPFAP?

Re: Turbo MTT would you push these types of hands late?
 

who do you have to blow to get someone to respond to your post?

I mean lets all keep replying to the Scottie post that is so much more helpful

Re: Turbo MTT would you push these types of hands late?
 

I think you need to get away from being results oriented and make decisions based upon the mathematical probabilities. In both the hands you posted, you had very marginal holdings.

In hand one, although you would have made the nut flush, you had very poor position with so many players left to act. If you had the button, or better yet, the BB, it might be a good call push as you had the shorty covered and he could be pushing with a wide range of hands.

In hand two, I'm guessing you would have hit something stupid like trip kings. This is another easy fold. You don't have any FE to get the Big Stack BB to fold and K8o is not a good hand multiplayer.

Besides, this is a satellite. You only need 1 chip and to place 39th to get the TEC. You will have the button next and can probably fold/stall your way into the "money". You need to evaluate the number of players remaining vs. the stacks of the other shorties and their position. I know that folding this meand you have 1.5 BB but that is all you need if you can out surveive the other shorties. This is how you play satellites.

My two cents, Steve

Re: Turbo MTT would you push these types of hands late?
 

You did the right thing in both spots. Turbos don't reward you for good folds, though.

Don't waste your money on turbo tournys, especially the MTTs. You need tons of luck and patience to make a final table in the normal 15 min formats. Turbos you need to forget about patience in order to keep up with the blinds.

Play the $3R to the Sunday tourny instead. The overlay is always great, it pays down to 4-5% on average. Then cash out and use the T$ for whatever satellite you want.

Re: Turbo MTT would you push these types of hands late?
 

with the blinds going up every five minutes a 6000 stack gets eaten up very fast at 1000/2000, 1500/3000 blind levels and people literally going all in almost every hand. So these "marginal hands" have to be played eventually or you are gone.

Re: Turbo MTT would you push these types of hands late?
 

thanks, sound advice. appreciate it.

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with the blinds going up every five minutes a 6000 stack gets eaten up very fast at 1000/2000, 1500/3000 blind levels and people literally going all in almost every hand. So these "marginal hands" have to be played eventually or you are gone.

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Then why are you asking for advice?

And if people are going all-in everyhand, you should sit tight and wait for them to bust while you sit back and coast.

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He can't coast when he has 5BB (hand 1) or 2BB (hand 2) in a turbo.

Push all-in on hand one! At that point you had 5BB and will soon be 3.5BB after the blinds come around. A8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] isn't a great hand, but concidering the turbo format and your stack, I think you have to gambool here.

Pulp

P.S. One reason people are not responding to you is your pissy attitude. I have only been a member for a few months and have gotten pleanty of informative responses. There were some hands that were somewhat ignored, but that was do to how standard and boring they were.

Your post on people ignoring the newbies is retarded.

Re: Turbo MTT would you push these types of hands late?
 

Another reason for the lack of responses is at this point in a turbo with how shortstacked you are, just pick a hand where you think you have 2 live cards and go, if you get the blinds great, if not, then hope to win the race, there isn't much strategy this late and this shortstacked in a turbo.
~Justin

Re: Turbo MTT would you push these types of hands late?
 

well, Pulp, I respectfully disagree that newbies do not get overlooked here, and also, I never said that there was no good information out there.

A I have never played a turbo before I just was curious how low of hands do people start pushing with ie AXs Kxs and so on.

THis is a new format for me and I wanted to hear from experienced people that have played them with some success.

as always I appreciate people taking hte time to say anything, even to say well, you are an idiot, just push or whatever.

Re: Turbo MTT would you push these types of hands late?
 

You're an idiot, just push.

Seriously, even with a normal tournament, with a stack so short and blinds so high, i would have pushed with both hands.

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He can't coast when he has 5BB (hand 1) or 2BB (hand 2) in a turbo.

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Why not? He doesn't specifially say how many players are left. If they anywhere near bubble, I'm stalling/folding everyhand, especially if I'm going to have the button next.

Isn't that standard satellite strategy? In fact, there was a recent post by MLG discussing his student folding KK preflop during a qualifier tourney. Confused with KK Albeit, his player already had a big stack, but the notion that it doesn't matter if your in 1st place or 39th place should be clear.

If there were still 50+ to go until bubble, that would change my answer though. Then you are desperate and looking to get lucky to stay alive. I'm just not sure where in the tourny he is.

Steve

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i would have really liked the situation in the first hand,to go all in,utg+1 had the bb about to hit him,and was probably pushing a hand that had no ace,reasonably good chance you were favorite here,probably only slightly,and at that point you still had some fold equity on the players yet to act. it looks like you would only be risking 1300,to make 3100+ whatever the antes were,with the utg's stack ,and sb and bb,so it really looks like a good situation in a turbo. i see you say you'd have doubled,but i doubt the bb calls if you push,he was just taking the cheap calling option,but you had a great chance to add 50% to your stack,or a little more.
in the second hand,it would be an easy fold,i know the situation is pretty similar,but you have a few less options without an ace,and not suited,he could easily be playing any ace here,with makes you a reasonable underdog,think id rather wait for my button and co opportunity here,might even push both times with any 2 cards if it was folded to me,hoping to get folds or get lucky.
p.s.-i'm new on here,about a month,and have had great responses,absolutely love the forum!!!!!!

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He can't coast when he has 5BB (hand 1) or 2BB (hand 2) in a turbo.

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Why not? He doesn't specifially say how many players are left. If they anywhere near bubble, I'm stalling/folding everyhand, especially if I'm going to have the button next.

Isn't that standard satellite strategy? In fact, there was a recent post by MLG discussing his student folding KK preflop during a qualifier tourney. Confused with KK Albeit, his player already had a big stack, but the notion that it doesn't matter if your in 1st place or 39th place should be clear.

If there were still 50+ to go until bubble, that would change my answer though. Then you are desperate and looking to get lucky to stay alive. I'm just not sure where in the tourny he is.

Steve

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I believe in the OP he states that there's about 50 runners, and top 39 win a seat. It also seemed that he was closer to the bottom of the pack.

I could be wrong here, but it seems that others will be trying to coast that are in much better shape then 5BB. He has to get in a position in which he is better than at least 11 players to coast (especially with the turbo format).

The MLG post was a totally different situation. There was no question whether or not his student could coast. It was a question of, if you know you can coast, do you play this hand.

Re: Turbo MTT would you push these types of hands late?
 

There were 15 people left

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the BB had QQ and I think definitely calls with my stack in comparison to his, but that was hindsight.

I thought about it for a long time and then folded. I thought I should have pushed, but was very conflicted about it.

the hands that were played were 99, QQ

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 16.3200 % [ 00.16 00.00 ] { 9d9c }
Hand 2: 55.4597 % [ 00.55 00.00 ] { QdQc }
Hand 3: 28.2203 % [ 00.28 00.00 ] { As8s }

That is from poker stove just to give an idea of the equities if I had gone in knowing their hands of course.

It is very interesting what people will push with late. Any suited A is probably a good gamble if you have a smallish stack.

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WSOP first 39 get $33 seat in qualifier I am about 50.

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There were 15 people left

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I reponded based on 1st quote. I am confused with the second one. If there were 15 people left and the top 39 get seats??????

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Any suited A is probably a good gamble if you have a smallish stack.

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I would say this is horribly untrue, if you are shortstacked late in a satellite you want to get in with the best of if, pushing with any A suited as the ORIGINAL RAISER is A-ok, but calling all-in with A8s-A2s is a horrid move IMO, because chances are you are dominated, give me JT-J9s or QJ-Q9s, or even T9-T8, 98s, 87s and I will be much more happy to get my stack in thinking I have 2 live cards, whereas with the A you are likely drawing to only an A (against pairs) or only your 3 outs with your kicker (against a bigger A)
~Justin

Re: Turbo MTT would you push these types of hands late?
 

It's one thing to push with hands like those. It's another to call with them...

Re: Turbo MTT would you push these types of hands late?
 

raise/call the first. The blinds are about to take you out. This the best hand you will see before the BB cripples you. You are likely ahead of the UTG player who is in the same situation as you.

FOld the 2nd. You have a reasonable (though very small) stack. You can even let the blinds pass you another time (though I hope it doesn't get to that).

CSC