PP1KNL. FLOP TOP SET. UGLY RIVER SPOT OOP.
 

party 5-10nl 6max. full game. game is alright. CO opens for $35 folded to me in the BB and i call with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
CO- ~$1500
HERO- more than that.
i really dislike the way i played this hand postflop...
FLOP. 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
hero bets $45. villain min raises $90. hero calls.
TURN. Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
hero checks. CO bets $125. hero raises $400. villain calls.
RIVER. A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
hero????
pot is just over a dime. he has $938 left.

Re: PP1KNL. FLOP TOP SET. UGLY RIVER SPOT OOP.
 

This looks like a situation value bet situation. Say $400 minimum bet. If you push, you only going to get called if he beats you, but he may just call $400 with KK, or perhaps AQ. If he pushes, you'll be unhappy with the call, and unhappy with folding.

And I see nothing wrong with your post flop play.

I'm also assuming Villian is CO, or you slipped a third person in there.

Re: PP1KNL. FLOP TOP SET. UGLY RIVER SPOT OOP.
 

425-550$...

Im not thinking of folding here is that wrong? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Pots gotten way to large.

Re: PP1KNL. FLOP TOP SET. UGLY RIVER SPOT OOP.
 

HELLO? COMMENT ON MY HAND. THE RIVER. ITS BRUTAL. WHAT IS THE PLAN?

Re: PP1KNL. FLOP TOP SET. UGLY RIVER SPOT OOP.
 

I like the way you played it post flop.

I am pretty certain he has one of three hands here, AA KK QQ. this may be weak but I check the river with the plan to fold to an all in and call any 1/2 pot sized bet or less.

Re: PP1KNL. FLOP TOP SET. UGLY RIVER SPOT OOP.
 

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HELLO? COMMENT ON MY HAND. THE RIVER. ITS BRUTAL. WHAT IS THE PLAN?

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id say the flop and turn play are worse.

Re: PP1KNL. FLOP TOP SET. UGLY RIVER SPOT OOP.
 

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HELLO? COMMENT ON MY HAND. THE RIVER. ITS BRUTAL. WHAT IS THE PLAN?

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id say the flop and turn play are worse.

[/ QUOTE ]honestly, i was distracted and not paying alot of attention during this hand.i already said i played it extremely sucky.how do i keep from compounding my horribleness on the river...? FWIW, this is not how i usually play this hand on flop,turn...

Re: PP1KNL. FLOP TOP SET. UGLY RIVER SPOT OOP.
 

bet what you think he may call with his range of hands. maybe 400-600, or you could move in.
if he has a set, oh well, tough luck.

Re: PP1KNL. FLOP TOP SET. UGLY RIVER SPOT OOP.
 

you really dont think hero is good 33% of the time here? i think its really tough to fold this at the river, if he set on you i guess i pay him off, but i dont like checking b/c it lets him check behind with hands you beat and would get a call from.

Re: PP1KNL. FLOP TOP SET. UGLY RIVER SPOT OOP.
 

i guess the flop min raise + the big check raise call on the turn make me think he has a really big hand. checking the river after the ace falls shows weakness so i think there is a good chance he will take another shot at winning the pot with a bet of $500 or so. with the nuts he will go all in and that is an easy fold. if he is an all in bluffer than leading the river would work.

question: how would fsu and flawless play the flop and turn differently?

Re: PP1KNL. FLOP TOP SET. UGLY RIVER SPOT OOP.
 

you also flopped top set, there arent many bigger hands out, i wouldnt be surprised if he lost to AA or QQ but checking i dont think its at all an easy fold to a push on the river.

Re: PP1KNL. FLOP TOP SET. UGLY RIVER SPOT OOP.
 

Maybe you can explain what you think you did wrong in your post flop play.

Looks like you tried to maximize profit by playing and betting in such a manner that the villian wouldn't escape without investing more money into that Big Pocket Pair.

If you are so sure you are beat by the time the river falls, count that as a blessing that you are able to make a great laydown. Just muck the cards out of turn and mumble something about missing a draw.

If you are sure you were beat on the turn when the Q came and you checkraised and got called, then just congradulate yourself for saving your whole stack by not check-raising all in drawing virtually dead. Then check fold the hand.

Re: PP1KNL. FLOP TOP SET. UGLY RIVER SPOT OOP.
 

I think I would bet $400 and call an all-in raise.

Without any reads I think Villain's range of hands is too wide to think about folding here. If he spiked a two outer on you, well, that sucks.

Re: PP1KNL. FLOP TOP SET. UGLY RIVER SPOT OOP.
 

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i guess the flop min raise + the big check raise call on the turn make me think he has a really big hand. checking the river after the ace falls shows weakness so i think there is a good chance he will take another shot at winning the pot with a bet of $500 or so. with the nuts he will go all in and that is an easy fold. if he is an all in bluffer than leading the river would work.

question: how would fsu and flawless play the flop and turn differently?

[/ QUOTE ]as far as the flop and turn play, i dont really want to discuss it. suffice to say i thought the guy played badly and was weaktight and i wanted to string him along and bust him. your analysis of the river is very good IMO... best yet.

results. (yuck)
 

so i bet $400 bc i figured he could probably call tghis, but not much more with some of the hands i was beating (KK, Ax [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) villain raised to $900.... i ran my time bank down and getting almost 5:1, i paid it off... he showed AA, i was not surprised.