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Skjonne 03-24-2005 07:41 AM

AK hits big but......
 
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CO ($201.35)
Button ($103.25)
SB ($250.25)
BB ($220.95)
UTG ($77.05)
UTG+1 ($101.60)
MP1 ($71)
Skjonne ($287.90)
MP3 ($123.30)

Preflop: Skjonne is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Skjonne raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $8, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $6.

Flop: ($27) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Skjonne bets $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $28</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $69.05</font> Skjonne?????

kongo_totte 03-24-2005 07:52 AM

Re: AK hits big but......
 
Flat call, adn hope for an over call. Obviously, your going to have to pay off short stack if he beats you. If CO has 4 4, I'm loosing my stacks. BTW, you have plenty of outs if he indeed has 4 4 (4+7). So flat call, hope for an over call. Lead the turn.

Hattifnatt 03-24-2005 07:57 AM

Re: AK hits big but......
 
Tough one, someone certainly had you tied or beat. Unless CO just wants to see where he stands with JJ-KK and UTG has AQ.

I guess I should had reraised "anyway"...

Skjonne 03-26-2005 05:55 PM

Re: AK hits big but......
 
Bump before I give my own thoghts and the outcome--

stankybank 03-26-2005 05:59 PM

Re: AK hits big but......
 
looks like UTG flopped his set of 4's.

I'd say you got CO outkicked so I'd just flat call and hope he comes along and push on the turn to create a side pot and get some of your money back.

mishafp 03-26-2005 06:01 PM

Re: AK hits big but......
 
PUSH! There is almost no better flop you could see, and there are only 2 hands that beat you (and only one of them is really realisic). And against the only realistic hand that beats you, you have some outs still.. so, push i say!

Kaz The Original 03-26-2005 06:50 PM

Re: AK hits big but......
 
Flat call, bet 60 on the turn and 70 on the river. Transparant, but what can you do.

soah 03-26-2005 07:02 PM

Re: AK hits big but......
 
Well I don't think there are five aces in the deck, so someone must have something else. Yuck.

mishafp 03-26-2005 07:43 PM

Re: AK hits big but......
 
oops, i didnt see you were more deap-stacked than i thought-so calling is fine. In any case, i think your money is going into the middle of his pot and there is no real way around it.

Also, i dont see why other people are having such a big issue with this. I mean, other people most likely have ace with a decent kicker and think they are best. CO would have had some pocket pair like TT and is trying to find out where he stands. The big bettor obviously has at least an ace (i think thats probably at most what he has), but you certainly cant lay this down- no way.

PoBoy321 03-26-2005 07:50 PM

Re: AK hits big but......
 
I like the idea of flat calling and creating side-pot with CO on the turn.

The only problem is when UTG has AQ and CO is the one with 44. Yuck.

Skjonne 03-27-2005 06:09 AM

Result
 
Yes flatcalling here most be the right thing to do. I insta-allin'ed, which as several clever posters point out really can't be correct. stankybank got it: UTG had 44, CO had AQ.

44 and A? is really the two only hands they can have.

Lukily for me, CO didn't give much thought to our hands either so he called, so now I at least broke even on the hand

I then I went into suck-out mode and turned a K. Sometimes is dangerous to think to much [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Thank for you replies

Gbob 03-27-2005 09:55 AM

Re: AK hits big but......
 
This is painfull because not just 30 minutes ago I lost money to the same situation (except the flop was AA6). The other player, of course, had A6.

That being said, it's a no brainer push. Two bullets on board is impossible not to have someone take a stab at and if another player has an ace himself you know that he'll be in.


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